NO ONE comes to the Father except through Jesus?

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Is Jesus the only way to salvation, and is Christianity therefore the only true religion? Or is God truthfully and adequately known in other religions as well, so that Christianity is one of the great religions, but not the only way?

It's a controversial issue that divides fundamentalist and conservative Christians from moderate and liberal Christians.

The verse most frequently quoted in this debate is one attributed to Jesus in John 14:6: "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father except through me." For many centuries, it has been the classic "proof text" for Christian exclusivism--the notion that salvation is possible only through Jesus, and thus only through Christianity.

But is that what it means?
Is that how it should be read?
Mainline biblical scholars don't think so.

As is generally the case with words attributed to Jesus in John, the verse does not go back to Jesus himself. Written near the end of the first century, John's gospel is the product of a relatively late stage in the developing tradition of the early Christian movement. Though all four gospels combine historical memory with metaphorical narrative, John is the most metaphorical and furthest removed from the deeds and words of Jesus. Put positively, John is the most symbolic of the gospels.


The first key to reading this text again is setting it in John's historical context. According to most scholars, the gospel was written late in the first century, in a setting of intense conflict between Christian Jews and non-Christian Jews. The setting is reflected especially in the ninth chapter of John, which refers to people being "put out of the synagogue" as the consequence of following Jesus.

In that world, to be "put out" from the synagogue was far more serious than being expelled from a Christian congregation or denomination is in our world.

To be expelled from the synagogue meant no longer to be considered a Jew (or at least not an acceptable Jew).

In a traditional society where most people lived their entire lives in the same village or town, it was a powerful social sanction. Those expelled faced social ostracism. Among other things, it disrupted relationships within families and with neighbors, and made marriage to "proper" Jews difficult or impossible.


Followers of Jesus were not threatened with such expulsion during his lifetime. At the earliest, it happened a decade or two after the destruction of the Temple in the year 70. Thus, John 9 not only suggests an approximate date for the gospel, but also points to the historical situation facing John and his community. They were experiencing painful social ostracism by non-Christian Jews. As a result, some of John's community may have been tempted to return to their community of origin.

This is the setting for the words, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father except through me."

John was not thinking of all the religions of the world, but of the synagogue across the street. In effect he was saying, "Stay within the community of Jesus--don't go back to the way you left behind."

It is important not to see this reading of the verse as a rejection of Judaism, as if other religions are all right, but not Judaism. The verse is not an absolute pronouncement about all other religions or about all other forms of Judaism for all time, but a pastoral exhortation in a particular historical setting. In short, reading the verse in historical context relativizes it.

Yet the text may have a universal meaning as well. We see this by using a second key to reading the text again, namely paying attention to the text's central metaphor: Jesus is the way. A "way" is a path or a road to be followed. A "way" is not a set of beliefs.

So, Jesus is "the way." What does this metaphor, applied to a person, mean? We need to ask, "What is Jesus' 'way' in John's gospel?" Or, "What is 'the way' which Jesus is?" The answer is found in the movement or dynamic of the gospel as a whole as well as in a single verse.

If we look at the gospel as a whole, we see that from the beginning, Jesus' way leads to his death. This death is also, for John, his glorification. The way is the path of death and resurrection. If we look at a single verse, we read, "Very truly I tell you, unless a grain of wheat falls into the earth and dies, it remains just a single grain; but if it dies, it bears much fruit" [John 12:2].

In short, for John, the way or path of Jesus is the path of death and resurrection understood as a metaphor for the religious life. That way--the path of dying to an old way of being and being born into a new way of being--is the only way to God.

The same point is made in a story I heard about a sermon preached by a Hindu professor in a Christian seminary several decades ago. The text for the day included the "one way" passage, and about it he said, "This verse is absolutely true--Jesus is the only way." Then, he continued, "And that way--of dying to an old way of being and being born into a new way of being--is known in all of the religions of the world." The "way" of Jesus is a universal way, known even to millions who have never heard of Jesus.

The way of Jesus is thus not a set of beliefs about Jesus. That people ever thought it was is strange, when we think about it--as if one entered new life by believing certain things to be true, or as if the only people who can be saved are those who know the word "Jesus."

Thinking that way virtually amounts to salvation by syllables.

The way of Jesus is the way of death and resurrection--the path of transition and transformation from an old way of being to a new way of being. To use the language of incarnation that is so central to John, Jesus incarnates the way. Incarnation means embodiment. Jesus is what the way embodied in a human life looks like.
 

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"Woe to them, for they have strayed from Me! Destruction is theirs, for they have rebelled against Me! I would redeem them, but they speak lies against Me".
 

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There's plenty of people who are born and raised into worldviews whih you can't reasonably expect for them to turn away from.
It's easy to sell the idea that you must be a Christian when you live in a country whose religion is Christianity and is the main notion of God.

I believe that there are some people in the world with different views that have and will nonetheless be saved by the mercy of God.
 

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There's plenty of people who are born and raised into worldviews whih you can't reasonably expect for them to turn away from.
It's easy to sell the idea that you must be a Christian when you live in a country whose religion is Christianity and is the main notion of God.

I believe that there are some people in the world with different views that have and will nonetheless be saved by the mercy of God.

Noah would have disagreed with you.
 

aikido7

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Noah would have disagreed with you.


Noah even disagreed with himself!

Genesis tells us he filled the Ark with pairs--male and female--of all animals.
Then the text chapter informs us he put seven animals at a time into the Ark.
 

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Noah even disagreed with himself!

Genesis tells us he filled the Ark with pairs--male and female--of all animals.
Then the text chapter informs us he put seven animals at a time into the Ark.

well, he did struggle with alcoholism

maybe the "pairs" was just him seeing double
 

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Noah even disagreed with himself!

Genesis tells us he filled the Ark with pairs--male and female--of all animals.
Then the text chapter informs us he put seven animals at a time into the Ark.

You are blind according to the truth.
 

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Noah even disagreed with himself!

Genesis tells us he filled the Ark with pairs--male and female--of all animals.
Then the text chapter informs us he put seven animals at a time into the Ark.
There were seven pairs (one male and one female) of each kind of the clean animals.
That is fourteen animals for each kind of clean animal.
 

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Is Jesus the only way to salvation, and is Christianity therefore the only true religion? Or is God truthfully and adequately known in other religions as well, so that Christianity is one of the great religions, but not the only way?
Non-Christians are aliens from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers from the covenants of promise.
Non-Christians have no hope and are without God in the world.

Ephesians 2:11-13
11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.​

I believe that there are some people in the world with different views that have and will nonetheless be saved by the mercy of God.
The only people that will be saved (receive eternal life) are those that have their names written in the book of life.

Revelation 20:15
15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.​

The only way for non-Christians to have their names written in the book of life is meeting the requirements:
  • They must fear the LORD God
  • They must think upon the name of the LORD God
  • They must be righteous
  • They must serve the LORD God


Malachi 3:16-18
16 Then they that feared the Lord spake often one to another: and the Lord hearkened, and heard it, and a book of remembrance was written before him for them that feared the Lord, and that thought upon his name.
17 And they shall be mine, saith the Lord of hosts, in that day when I make up my jewels; and I will spare them, as a man spareth his own son that serveth him.
18 Then shall ye return, and discern between the righteous and the wicked, between him that serveth God and him that serveth him not.​

 

aikido7

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You are blind according to the truth.

You are absolutely correct. There are definitely times when I am unable to determine the absolute truth of a spiritual matter.

1. As far as the Bible is concerned, I focus first on what exactly is IN the text.
The hard thing to me is to endeavor to discver what the actual people who first wrote it meant.
2. Then I study the context to determine what the original people who first read or heard the actual words.
3. Finally, I try to find a way for the verse or passage that can make sense for people living in today’s global culture in the here and now,

A lot of this part is to take into consideration of the religious and political and cultural conext of the ancient wrold of the past.

“The past is a foreign country. They do things differently there.”
--J.P. Hartley

"You are to bring into the ark two of all living creatures, male and female, to keep them alive with you.”
--Genesis 6:19

"You shall take with you seven each of every clean animal, a male and his female; two each of animals that are unclean, a male and his female....”
--Genesis 7:2

It’s a bit like the wise men at the manger. The text does not tell us how many wise men there actually were.

I am not so arrogant as to ignore my own human blindness.
 

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You are absolutely correct. There are definitely times when I am unable to determine the absolute truth of a spiritual matter.

1. As far as the Bible is concerned, I focus first on what exactly is IN the text.
The hard thing to me is to endeavor to discver what the actual people who first wrote it meant.
2. Then I study the context to determine what the original people who first read or heard the actual words.
3. Finally, I try to find a way for the verse or passage that can make sense for people living in today’s global culture in the here and now,

A lot of this part is to take into consideration of the religious and political and cultural conext of the ancient wrold of the past.

“The past is a foreign country. They do things differently there.”
--J.P. Hartley

"You are to bring into the ark two of all living creatures, male and female, to keep them alive with you.”
--Genesis 6:19

"You shall take with you seven each of every clean animal, a male and his female; two each of animals that are unclean, a male and his female....”
--Genesis 7:2

It’s a bit like the wise men at the manger. The text does not tell us how many wise men there actually were.

I am not so arrogant as to ignore my own human blindness.

The wise men did not visit "the manger".
 

aikido7

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The wise men did not visit "the manger".


The Magi [and who knows how many] came to visit Jesus sometime after his presentation in the Temple which was supposed to have occured--according to Jewish law--around 40 days after his birth.

They did not visit the manger. They visited a house.
Like the conflation of children’s Christmas Eve programs in our evening services around December 24, I said manger because I was not thinking clearly. The accounts in Luke and Matthew are contradictory and different.
I was attempting, I think, to smooth them out and force the gospels to present a seamless whole [which cannot really happen !!!]

We also have these two verses in Genesis:

"You are to bring into the ark two of all living creatures, male and female, to keep them alive with you.”
--Genesis 6:19

"You shall take with you seven each of every clean animal, a male and his female; two each of animals that are unclean, a male and his female....”
--Genesis 7:2
 

Truster

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The Magi [and who knows how many] came to visit Jesus sometime after his presentation in the Temple which was supposed to have occured--according to Jewish law--around 40 days after his birth.

They did not visit the manger. They visited a house.
Like the conflation of children’s Christmas Eve programs in our evening services around December 24, I said manger because I was not thinking clearly. The accounts in Luke and Matthew are contradictory and different.
I was attempting, I think, to smooth them out and force the gospels to present a seamless whole [which cannot really happen !!!]

We also have these two verses in Genesis:

"You are to bring into the ark two of all living creatures, male and female, to keep them alive with you.”
--Genesis 6:19

"You shall take with you seven each of every clean animal, a male and his female; two each of animals that are unclean, a male and his female....”
--Genesis 7:2

You have the putrid aroma of death. That means you must be reformed but you haven't been reborn. Your words are presented parrot fashion without any comprehension.
 

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You have the putrid aroma of death. That means you must be reformed but you haven't been reborn. Your words are presented parrot fashion without any comprehension.

So you know this, how?

It sounds to me like you are triggered by actual quotes from Scripture. Rather than address the subject, you turn to immature insults and mind-reading.

If you can show us all that these verses from Genesis are not correct, then have back at me!
If you can’t see the discrepancies between the birth narratives in Luke and Matthew, read them again more carefully.

“Bible Study” is actually "Studying the Bible !!!"
 
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