musterion
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Yes, and I think we can all agree that that person is Darby.
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Yes, and I think we can all agree that that person is Darby.
keypurr
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Where do you get the extra 42 months?
Only Christs death could have done that.
genuineoriginal
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Daniel 9 is about the exile and promised return of the children of Israel from the land of Israel.
Daniel was reading in the book of Jeremiah about the 70 years of exile.
Daniel 9:1-2 1 In the first year of Darius the son of Ahasuerus, of the seed of the Medes, which was made king over the realm of the Chaldeans; 2 In the first year of his reign I Daniel understood by books the number of the years, whereof the word of the Lord came to Jeremiah the prophet, that he would accomplish seventy years in the desolations of Jerusalem. |
The prophecy was in answer to that prayer.
Daniel 9:27 27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate. |
It's painfully obvious that the person that accomplished seventy years of the desolations of Jerusalem in Jeremiah's prophecy is the same person that would cause a further desolation of Jerusalem in response to the overspreading of abominations.
That would be the LORD who did it using the armies of the Chaldeans the first time and the armies of the Romans the second time.
SaulToPaul 2
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Daniel 11:21 And in his estate shall stand up a vile person, to whom they shall not give the honour of the kingdom: but he shall come in peaceably, and obtain the kingdom by flatteries.
Daniel 11:22 And with the arms of a flood shall they be overflown from before him, and shall be broken; yea, also the prince of the covenant.
Daniel 11:23 And after the league made with him he shall work deceitfully: for he shall come up, and shall become strong with a small people.
Daniel 11:24 He shall enter peaceably even upon the fattest places of the province; and he shall do that which his fathers have not done, nor his fathers' fathers; he shall scatter among them the prey, and spoil, and riches: yea, and he shall forecast his devices against the strong holds, even for a time.
Daniel 11:25 And he shall stir up his power and his courage against the king of the south with a great army; and the king of the south shall be stirred up to battle with a very great and mighty army; but he shall not stand: for they shall forecast devices against him.
Daniel 11:26 Yea, they that feed of the portion of his meat shall destroy him, and his army shall overflow: and many shall fall down slain.
Daniel 11:27 And both these kings' hearts shall be to do mischief, and they shall speak lies at one table; but it shall not prosper: for yet the end shall be at the time appointed.
Daniel 11:28 Then shall he return into his land with great riches; and his heart shall be against the holy covenant; and he shall do exploits, and return to his own land.
Daniel 11:29 At the time appointed he shall return, and come toward the south; but it shall not be as the former, or as the latter.
Daniel 11:30 For the ships of Chittim shall come against him: therefore he shall be grieved, and return, and have indignation against the holy covenant: so shall he do; he shall even return, and have intelligence with them that forsake the holy covenant.
Daniel 11:31 And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.
genuineoriginal
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You are in the wrong prophecy.
Daniel 11 was fulfilled in the time of Antiochus Epiphanes.
Go back to Daniel 9 and look at that chapter.
SaulToPaul 2
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I'm not.
Daniel 8, 9, and 11 all concern the same events.
You know it, I know it.
genuineoriginal
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No, they do not.
If you are claiming that they concern the same events, then you are effectively claiming that the middle of the seventieth week was when Antiochus Epiphanes desecrated the temple in 167 BCE.
That event does not match the timeline for the seventieth week, since it would place the the going out of the word to restore and build Jerusalem in 653 BCE, which is 67 years before the destruction of the Temple in 586 BCE.
just for entertainment i tuned in to Revelation - End of Days on History channel. they used alot of OT scripture and NT, but lacked depth in Christianity. they dramatized events, with Christians being labelled as "terrorists" and "enemy" combatants and such. persecuting Christians and "demonizing" through propaganda. it's better than 50 shades gray probably. or many other shows. -
atrol:A type is never the complete fulfillment of the prophecy as the endtime is.
Dan 12:4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.
Dan 12:5 Then I Daniel looked, and, behold, there stood other two, the one on this side of the bank of the river, and the other on that side of the bank of the river.
Dan 12:6 And one said to the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, How long shall it be to the end of these wonders?
Dan 12:7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.
Dan 12:8 And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things?
Dan 12:9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.
Dan 12:10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.
Dan 12:11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.
Dan 12:12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.
Dan 12:13 But go thou thy way till the end be: for thou shalt rest, and stand in thy lot at the end of the days.
Date setting again huh? Do you think you're a modern day Prophet?
Harold Camping thought he was too!
genuineoriginal
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Daniel 11 was completely fulfilled by the end of Antiochus Epiphanes' rule over Jerusalem.
Which part do you think was not fulfilled?
The seventy weeks prophecy was also completely fulfilled.
The seventy weeks ended 3-1/2 years after the crucifixion, right before Peter was told to go to Cornelius.
Because the inhabitants of Jerusalem failed to complete the six assigned tasks (to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy) by the end of the seventy weeks, the prophesied desolation of Jerusalem happened in 70 CE according to the additional prophecy from Jesus in the Olivet Discourse (Luke 21).
Do you think any part of the prophecy of seventy weeks remains unfulfilled?
this part of Dan ch 11--
Dan 11:40 And at the time of the end shall the king of the south push at him: and the king of the north shall come against him like a whirlwind, with chariots, and with horsemen, and with many ships; and he shall enter into the countries, and shall overflow and pass over.
Dan 11:41 He shall enter also into the glorious land, and many countries shall be overthrown: but these shall escape out of his hand, even Edom, and Moab, and the chief of the children of Ammon.
Dan 11:42 He shall stretch forth his hand also upon the countries: and the land of Egypt shall not escape.
Dan 11:43 But he shall have power over the treasures of gold and of silver, and over all the precious things of Egypt: and the Libyans and the Ethiopians shall be at his steps.
Dan 11:44 But tidings out of the east and out of the north shall trouble him: therefore he shall go forth with great fury to destroy, and utterly to make away many.
Dan 11:45 And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him.
Inpossible, the desolater was not destroyed then.
No scripture says that.
The prophecy is of what will occur, not something anyone failed to do.
Dan 12 speaks of the last 3.5 years mentioned also in Rev. as being future according to the text.
LA
No they don't.
Only someone with an agenda would claim they are the same events.
You have an agenda.
Daniel 8 was fulfilled by Antiochus.
Until you learn history and understand that Daniel 8 was fulfilled, there is no hope in you understanding Daniel 9 and Daniel 11.
Only Dispensationalists are foolish enough to think Daniel 8, 9, & 11 are all the same events.
No one else does so.
The 70 weeks prophecy was fulfilled in 70AD.
Jesus made it clear that the prophecy in Daniel was not yet fulfilled.
(Matt 24:15-16) “So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination that causes desolation,’ spoken of through the prophet Daniel—let the reader understand— 16 then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.
Those in Judea were also told to flee to the mountains when they saw the Roman army surround Jerusalem:
(Luke 21:20-21) 20 “When you see Jerusalem being surrounded by armies, you will know that its desolation is near. 21 Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains,
We also know from Matt 24 and Luke 21 that Jesus made it clear that these events would happen before those from that generation passed away.
SaulToPaul 2
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Surrrrrrrre.
Daniel 8:9 And out of one of them came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land.
Daniel 8:10 And it waxed great, even to the host of heaven; and it cast down some of the host and of the stars to the ground, and stamped upon them.
Daniel 8:11 Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of his sanctuary was cast down.
SaulToPaul 2
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Daniel 8, 9, and 11 all concern the same events. It's obvious.
The little horn, a vile man, the prince of covenant takes away the sacrifice in all three chapters.
You know it, I know it.
SaulToPaul 2
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My agenda is not to make up fulfillments for things that haven't been.
That is your job on TOL.
If you read carefully, every word of Dan 8-11, there is no way anything in history has fulfilled them. You can pick a verse here and there that might fit but you cannot take them all and make them fit.
You know you can't