Nicer than God!
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Mateo
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Ok Clete,
I think I'm beginning to see what the dillema is here. You see yourself as being outside the law by right of your doctrinal beliefs and yet you see someone who commits a sexually immoral act as being under the law by right of that act regardless of thier beliefs. This is a real head-scratcher to me.
For some reason you are making a distintion between sexual immorality and any other actionable sin for reasons I can't fathom but the bottom line is this what you have said in this threads has been discussed by Jesus.
Luke 18:10 Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican.
11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.
12 I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.
13 And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.
14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.
I think I'm beginning to see what the dillema is here. You see yourself as being outside the law by right of your doctrinal beliefs and yet you see someone who commits a sexually immoral act as being under the law by right of that act regardless of thier beliefs. This is a real head-scratcher to me.
For some reason you are making a distintion between sexual immorality and any other actionable sin for reasons I can't fathom but the bottom line is this what you have said in this threads has been discussed by Jesus.
Luke 18:10 Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican.
11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.
12 I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.
13 And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.
14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.
Last night, I thought a lot about this.
Bus strike, long walk.
And I thought about the awful poisin pen that Enyart has, his ability to convince others to be as vile as he is, and then turns loose a legion of demons. You can see Clete quoting Enyart right and left, from his Hate the Sinner writing, his misuse of "abhor what is evil" pointed about by another poster, etc.
And this is what God/The Universe said:
Cast your seeds on the ground.
Sometimes, they fall on hard ground.
It is your responsibility to cast the seeds, not make the seeds grow.
And I think that is where we are.
I think you have a very hard heart, Clete.
Numerous posters are trying to show you the error of your ways, christians and non christians alike.
I mean, Freak and I even agree on something.
And you are responding in lies.
Freak does not support homosexuality.
But his plan is to reach out. His plan is to offer change, to offer saving grace and mercy.
I respect that.
But I think you have no desire to listen.
You, like the Pharisees, are condemning those that do such things, as they condemned Christ for eating with the sinners and taxcollectors, as Jesus was condemned by Simon for not pushing away the prostitute.
So, I think that you are a distraction from concentrating on the positive, a person who engages in arguement for its own sake to waste others' time.
I thank you for this lesson that you have taught me.
I pray that your heart will be opened to love, and that you will know love.
Bus strike, long walk.
And I thought about the awful poisin pen that Enyart has, his ability to convince others to be as vile as he is, and then turns loose a legion of demons. You can see Clete quoting Enyart right and left, from his Hate the Sinner writing, his misuse of "abhor what is evil" pointed about by another poster, etc.
And this is what God/The Universe said:
Cast your seeds on the ground.
Sometimes, they fall on hard ground.
It is your responsibility to cast the seeds, not make the seeds grow.
And I think that is where we are.
I think you have a very hard heart, Clete.
Numerous posters are trying to show you the error of your ways, christians and non christians alike.
I mean, Freak and I even agree on something.
And you are responding in lies.
Freak does not support homosexuality.
But his plan is to reach out. His plan is to offer change, to offer saving grace and mercy.
I respect that.
But I think you have no desire to listen.
You, like the Pharisees, are condemning those that do such things, as they condemned Christ for eating with the sinners and taxcollectors, as Jesus was condemned by Simon for not pushing away the prostitute.
So, I think that you are a distraction from concentrating on the positive, a person who engages in arguement for its own sake to waste others' time.
I thank you for this lesson that you have taught me.
I pray that your heart will be opened to love, and that you will know love.
Don't agree with him! He's an idiot!
ALL PEOPLE, that is you and me and everyone else is damned to hell apart from faith is Christ, homo's included. People who commit the crime of having sex with a person of the same gender should be executed. If they repent and accept Christ before their execution has carried out then they will be saved just as the theif on the cross was but that doesn't mean that their sentence should not still be carried out.
Resting in Him,
Clete
Mateo
New member
quote:
Originally posted by Mateo
"I can't beleive that you are this knuckle headed!
Do you think that it should be legal to steal?"
No. Do you think that a thief should be given an opportunity to repent and be shown mercy?
Theives are not to be executed but whether or not they repent, they should be made to pay restitution in punichment for their crime.
You didn't answer my question, Clete.
Originally posted by Mateo
"I can't beleive that you are this knuckle headed!
Do you think that it should be legal to steal?"
No. Do you think that a thief should be given an opportunity to repent and be shown mercy?
Theives are not to be executed but whether or not they repent, they should be made to pay restitution in punichment for their crime.
You didn't answer my question, Clete.
Lovejoy
Active member
I am confused with this. This is exactly the process I use. It says to judge believers (those inside) so as to keep holy the fellowship of Christ and keep people from stumbling. By that, it simply means to force from the church those that are unrepentant, in certain sins, until they repetant. But it also specifically says that once they are outside, God judges. That is the whole punishment. It is not for us, as Christians, to judge the outside world. Paul even states that we are not to break off from contact with the unsaved the way we would an unrepetant brother, because we would have to up and leave the earth to do it. Essenes we are not. Why, then, would I want to be a part of bringing some brutal legal system into play? If that is what God wants (the rulers are supposedly His) then He will do it. Where is your faith? Use that passion of yours to take care of our screwed up churches and fellowship, and leave the abominations outside to God. You will drive yourself crazy trying to run every one of them down.