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Top ten ranked qbs through this week:

Player, yards, average, comp %/td, int, rating

1. Aaron Rogers: 2,092/ 8.4/67.6/19-3/113.6

2. Peyton Manning: 2,572/8.3/67.3/24-5/112.0

3. Roethilisberger: 2,720/8.0/68.3/22-3/110.6

4. Romo: 1,998/8.5/68.2/15-6/103.6

5. Brady: 2,392/7.2/64.1/22-3/103.5

6. Rivers: 2,351/8.0/67.0/20-8/102.6

7. Luck: 3,085/7.8/63.6/26-9/100.3

8. Palmer: 1,385/7.4/61.7/11-2/99.3

9. Brees: 2,524/7.7/69.6/15-8, 97.1

10. Cutler: 2,093/7.1/67.2/17-8/95.8
 

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Hoyer wins again...beats the pants off the Bengals at the Bengals. While I was happy to get a predicted win, if by a larger margin, it leaves me with two questions.

1. At what point do the Browns have to move Johnny and/or pay Hoyer?

2. At what point do the Bengals realize how much talent their coach has never managed to do much with and dodge wasting the latest crop?

Cincinnati has proven their loyal to a San Andreas fault.
 

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Hoyer wins again...beats the pants off the Bengals at the Bengals. While I was happy to get a predicted win, if by a larger margin, it leaves me with two questions.

1. At what point do the Browns have to move Johnny and/or pay Hoyer?

2. At what point do the Bengals realize how much talent their coach has never managed to do much with and dodge wasting the latest crop?

Cincinnati has proven their loyal to a San Andreas fault.

The Bengals have been in a tailspin ever since New England pulled their teeth. Are the Browns for real? Can they make a real run for their division? Or do the wheels eventually fall off, the way they always seem to?

Next up for Cleveland is the Brady Backup Bowl--Hoyer versus Mallett. It's Mallett's first start and I like the Browns in that one. Atlanta after that, and nobody likes the Falcons for anything these days.

Manziel's starting to look like a trade chip...and the fat lady may finally be warming up for Marvin Lewis.
 

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Hoyer wins again...beats the pants off the Bengals at the Bengals. While I was happy to get a predicted win, if by a larger margin, it leaves me with two questions.

1. At what point do the Browns have to move Johnny and/or pay Hoyer?

According to the NFL Network, Hoyer is 9-3 as the starter. The rest of the starters are 1-12 during that span.
 

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The Bengals have been in a tailspin ever since New England pulled their teeth. Are the Browns for real? Can they make a real run for their division? Or do the wheels eventually fall off, the way they always seem to?
I'm having a hard time getting my head around the Browns. They open with a squeaker win against the Saints, lose a close one to the Ravens, but get their helmets handed to them by the Jags before blowing the Bengals up at home?

Next up for Cleveland is the Brady Backup Bowl--Hoyer versus Mallett. It's Mallett's first start and I like the Browns in that one.
The Texans will test Clevelands line and composure, offensively. But the Colts will show us what that defense can and can't do. Between the two games are the sort of contests a good team should weather and that will tell us something too.

Atlanta after that, and nobody likes the Falcons for anything these days.
Another team in need of a purging, with too much talent for that little result.

Manziel's starting to look like a trade chip...and the fat lady may finally be warming up for Marvin Lewis.
Johnny may one day look upon his time with the Browns the way Favre must have thought of the Falcons. And Jones still has a covetous eye trained on the pick he almost made. Given the creaky nature of his qb...



According to the NFL Network, Hoyer is 9-3 as the starter. The rest of the starters are 1-12 during that span.
I don't know. Sometimes you get a journeyman qb who has that year. And then it's gone. And sometimes a guy looks better because of the competition and sometimes because he's playing with all the cards, no real expectation and only the opportunity to play his way in. I don't know, but I tend to think there's a reason why Hoyer was Hoyer before he became whatever this is...time will tell.
 

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I'm having a hard time getting my head around the Browns. They open with a squeaker win against the Saints, lose a close one to the Ravens, but get their helmets handed to them by the Jags before blowing the Bengals up at home?

Perhaps a better-than-we-thought team just finding its legs?

The Texans will test Clevelands line and composure, offensively. But the Colts will show us what that defense can and can't do. Between the two games are the sort of contests a good team should weather and that will tell us something too.

Remember too Bill O'Brien's familiar with Hoyer from his time with the Pats and may--just may--have a wrinkle or two in mind for him.

Another team in need of a purging, with too much talent for that little result.

What a lost season.

Johnny may one day look upon his time with the Browns the way Favre must have thought of the Falcons. And Jones still has a covetous eye trained on the pick he almost made. Given the creaky nature of his qb...

Johnny to Dallas would break the Internet. ESPN wouldn't know what to do with itself.

I don't know. Sometimes you get a journeyman qb who has that year. And then it's gone. And sometimes a guy looks better because of the competition and sometimes because he's playing with all the cards, no real expectation and only the opportunity to play his way in. I don't know, but I tend to think there's a reason why Hoyer was Hoyer before he became whatever this is...time will tell.

Hoyer was Hoyer because he was holding a clipboard for a certain somebody.:chuckle:
 

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Hoyer was Hoyer because he was holding a clipboard for a certain somebody.:chuckle:

Even paying attention to the QB sneak....I thought that comment was a little over board from the color.
 

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I'm having a hard time getting my head around the Browns.

So am I, but I'm trusting the "Cleveland factor" will eventually rear its ugly head.

The AFC North is inverted right now. According to all the "experts" in the preseason it was supposed to be the exact opposite of what it is today.

But, it's tight, and there are lots of games left.

After the Steelers lost to Tampa Bay at home, and then got blown out in Cleveland, I didn't expect them to be tied for first place today.
 

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Oh, and for the record:

No team in the NFL has a regular season winning record against Tom Brady.

Peyton has five.
 

tetelestai

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Oh, and for the record:

No team in the NFL has a regular season winning record against Tom Brady.

Peyton has five.

Brady is 23-2 against the Bills.

That's pretty good, even better than Roethilisberger's record of 19-2 against the Browns.
 

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And Big Ben also knows what it feels like to lose both a title game and a Super Bowl.:chuckle:

All the great ones have lost AFC/NFC Championship Games.

Montana and Bradshaw lost 2 each.

Favre and Brady lost 3 each.

Peyton and Aikman each lost one.










Aikman lost 1
 
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Oh, and for the record:

No team in the NFL has a regular season winning record against Tom Brady.

Peyton has five.
Though Peyton has played most of their games in Brady's back yard. Brady is 2-4 in Denver and 1-2 against Peyton in AFC Championship games. :)

But the truth is the deciding factor in most of their games has been defense. It's not Tom v Peyton. It's Peyton v Bill and as great as Manning is, Bill is a better defensive coordinator than Peyton is an offensive mind. Peyton's costly interception (the other one was a deflection and should count against the wr) was a brilliant disguise that Peyton read as a blitz, just as he was supposed to. The ball is snapped and Hightower and Collins, who had been showing blitz, set back in coverage. Peyton's presnap read and decision allowed him to dismiss Hightower, but his ball is in route before the hidden Collins bits and it's a sweet field position set up for an easy six the other way four plays later.
 

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Though Peyton has played most of their games in Brady's back yard. Brady is 2-4 in Denver and 1-2 against Peyton in AFC Championship games. :)

Still, it's an impressive stat: He has a winning average against all 31 squads. Has anyone ever done that before? (To the NFL Facts Cave!)

But the truth is the deciding factor in most of their games has been defense. It's not Tom v Peyton. It's Peyton v Bill and as great as Manning is, Bill is a better defensive coordinator than Peyton is an offensive mind.

Agreed. Plus I'm convinced he simply isn't comfortable journeying to Foxborough. That place is his kryptonite.

Peyton's costly interception (the other one was a deflection and should count against the wr) was a brilliant disguise that Peyton read as a blitz, just as he was supposed to. The ball is snapped and Hightower and Collins, who had been showing blitz, set back in coverage. Peyton's presnap read and decision allowed him to dismiss Hightower, but his ball is in route before the hidden Collins bits and it's a sweet field position set up for an easy six the other way four plays later.

I was flabbergasted watching that play because I very, very rarely see him so obviously outsmarted. A tipped pass, sure, could happen to the best of them. But that right there was the sum of all their chess matches.
 

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Still, it's an impressive stat: He has a winning average against all 31 squads. Has anyone ever done that before? (To the NFL Facts Cave!)
Not that I know of.

And Peyton has beaten every team in the NFL. I doubt that one is going away anytime soon either.

Let's face the sad fact, these are two all time greats and we're lucky to have had a front row seat for it. :)

Agreed. Plus I'm convinced he simply isn't comfortable journeying to Foxborough. That place is his kryptonite.
And not just for him, but the Pats are 8-2 there when he comes calling. That's got to get in your head at some point, no matter who you are. Different story the other way around and I wonder how it might have gone if the rivalry had been played with most of the games in Peyton's backyard, what that might have meant in terms of psychological edge.


I was flabbergasted watching that play because I very, very rarely see him so obviously outsmarted. A tipped pass, sure, could happen to the best of them. But that right there was the sum of all their chess matches.
Bill's genius is in recognizing Peyton's ability to dissect defensive schemes at a glance and, the thing that had me smiling through a wince, count on that to make the set up work. And he knows he won't be able to get away with that frequently, but all he needs is one where it matters.

Just a terrific job. I wish Peyton had had a coach like him at some point on defense. Dungy was very, very good and better than good at setting a tone and keeping everything in front of him, but Bill is Montana's Walsh or Aikman's Johnson. Not having that is important. Especially in the playoffs.
 

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Oh, and for the record:

No team in the NFL has a regular season winning record against Tom Brady.

Peyton has five.

That's because the Patriots cheat. If I was a coach with a copy of the other team's playbook, I'd win more often than not too.
 

tetelestai

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He has a winning average against all 31 squads.

Debbie Downer here again.

Tom Brady does not have a "winning average" against all 31 teams, Tom Brady is .500 or better against all the other teams in the regular season.

Prior to the win against the Broncos last Sunday, Brady was 4-5 against the Broncos.

With the win, Brady is now .500 against the Broncos (5-5)

Besides the Broncos, Brady is also .500 against the Panthers (2-2), Cardinals (1-1), Seahawks (1-1), and 49'ers (1-1).
 
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