Anybody think TeT will give an answer to, was he saved while he was
a dispensationalist?
a dispensationalist?
Nang's SPOTD is Tet's Hit Out of the Park!
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Paul said "living", Peter said "spiritual".
If I confused the two, I apologize.
Romans 12:1 is addressing people already saved.
Paul is telling the believer to do something.
You guys sure have a hard time when Paul gives commands.
For example:
(Eph 5:18) And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit;
As we see above, Paul says "Don't do A, do B"
And again, Paul was addressing people already saved.
I'm not reading anything into the verse, that's what you are doing.
Nang and I have already given numerous examples of what living/spiritual sacrifices are.
Absolutely not.
The Levitical Priesthood was a shadow/type of the Royal Priesthood of believers in the NC.
Yep! Nang is an outrageously cranky/grouchy imbecile!
Nang
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No sinner can believe, apart from Jesus Christ's Mediatorship.
If you think so, tell all of us, how so . . .
See, TeT didn't claim to be a Christian while he was a dispensationalist!!
Look at the Colossians verse you quoted
Paul said "Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth."
Do you not believe that believers can make a choice between things above and earth when it comes to affection?
For someone making fun of Calvinists, you are portraying members of the BOC as robots with no volition whatsoever.
:kookoo::doh:
glorydaz
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Well, the Jews certainly had priests and high priests at that. I see Peter talking about a royal priesthood...but Paul doesn't. He speaks of Christ being the Head of the body of believers. The key is in the word LIVING, as I already explained. It would be wise if you read the rest of Paul when you're seeking to understand Paul. For instance, we are the only ones accepted IN THE BELOVED....sanctified by the Spirit.
I think you're trying to mix Peter's message with Paul's and that's why people have given up trying to talk to you. To know what Paul is talking about, you'd best read farther than Peter and Hebrews.
Ephesians 1:6KJV
To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.
Romans 15:16KJV
That I should be the minister of Jesus Christ to the Gentiles, ministering the gospel of God, that the offering up of the Gentiles might be acceptable, being sanctified by the Holy Ghost.
1 Corinthians 1:2KJV
Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both their's and our's:
1 Corinthians 6:11KJV
And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.
Romans 15:16KJV
That I should be the minister of Jesus Christ to the Gentiles, ministering the gospel of God, that the offering up of the Gentiles might be acceptable, being sanctified by the Holy Ghost.
1 Corinthians 1:2KJV
Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both their's and our's:
1 Corinthians 6:11KJV
And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
glorydaz
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Robots? Try "new creatures"....created in Christ Jesus. We certainly make choices....none of which affects where we are....IN Christ....In the beloved and seated with Him in heavenly places.
glorydaz
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Romans 10:4KJV
How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
Nang
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How can any sinner believe any preacher apart from the Mediatorship of Jesus Christ?
There is no human preacher or pastor that can convey the saving truth of the Gospel, apart from Godly grace.
Peter tells us that Paul wrote to the same people Peter wrote to:
(2 Peter 3:15) Bear in mind that our Lord’s patience means salvation, just as our dear brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom that God gave him.
Peter told the people Paul wrote to, the following:
(2 Peter 2:9) But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people;....
Yes, that's how you're portraying members of the BOC
Ok, but then why does Paul give commands "Don't do A, do B"?
glorydaz
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Paul wasn't confused and neither was Peter. They were talking aobut two different things. Paul said "living" and he meant living. He just spent chapters telling you how that came to be. It's by the operation of God when we believe. After we have been crucified with Christ (we didn't crucify ourselves), we are raised with Him (we didn't raise ourselves)....we can then present ourselves (come freely) before the throne of Grace...accepted in the Beloved.
Well, you "guys" sure like to put people under the law...now you're talking about Paul's COMMANDS. For some strange reason, you "guys" can't seem to understand the problem with the law for producing righteousness. It doesn't, for there is the fact of "forbidden fruit" as Paul explains it in Romans 7. So, you try and turn Paul's words into "commands" instead of what they are....simply guides by which we are to keep our eyes on heavenly things instead of things of this world.
Eph. 4:20-21KJV
But ye have not so learned Christ; If so be that ye have heard him, and have been taught by him, as the truth is in Jesus:
But ye have not so learned Christ; If so be that ye have heard him, and have been taught by him, as the truth is in Jesus:
The NEW MAN which is "created in righteousness and true holiness" is a fact. You like to preach that God is not able to do that. You like to preach that we have to do that for God....not knowing that the harder you TRY the farther from true holiness you become. It's a matter of surrender (present yourself) and live by the faith of the Son of God not your own efforts.
Eph. 4:24KJV
And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.
And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.
These are things the NEW MAN does not and does DO. God causes us to will and do His good pleasure. HE causes us to desire and perform what He has created us to do.
Eph. 4:28-29KJV
Let him that stole steal no more: but rather let him labour, working with his hands the thing which is good, that he may have to give to him that needeth. Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers.
Let him that stole steal no more: but rather let him labour, working with his hands the thing which is good, that he may have to give to him that needeth. Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers.
If the believer doesn't reckon that to be true, he could grieve the Spirit BUT we are SEALED unto the day of redemption. So much for Paul's guidelines being COMMANDS. We can build hay and stubble, but we ourselves will be saved.
Eph. 4:30KJV
And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
The difference between you and Nang and those you called out is that not a one of us ever BOAST in our own works of righteousness....boasting is EXCLUDED by the law of faith. Nang doesn't even know what faith is and I doubt you do either.
glorydaz
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No, I'm not. I'm telling you that we are new creatures. I believe it.
For the same reason I taught my kids to look both ways when they cross the street.
glorydaz
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As I recall, Paul wrote to Jews and Gentiles....this just off the top of my head.
Romans 2:17-18KJV
Behold, thou art called a Jew, and restest in the law, and makest thy boast of God, And knowest his will, and approvest the things that are more excellent, being instructed out of the law;
Behold, thou art called a Jew, and restest in the law, and makest thy boast of God, And knowest his will, and approvest the things that are more excellent, being instructed out of the law;
The point is what Paul was saying about "a living sacrifice".
glorydaz
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Nonsense, that's why Christ has a BODY. It's the word of God that has the power, and we preach the Gospel as ambassadors for Christ.
2 Corinthians 5:19-20KJV To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation. Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God. |
Nang
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"Without Me, you can do nothing." John 15:5
glorydaz
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Wrong verse to quote. We are members of His body....hardly without Him. :chuckle:
Nang
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The branches only produce what the root puts forth.
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