Nang certainly thinks highly of herself, and is angered
when others don't follow her opinion!
when others don't follow her opinion!
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Unfortunately, that's the way so many Calvinists are....not all....but way too many. :nono:
IMJerusha
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Maybe I ought to just refer you to Lon..."we are the judge of no one 'and are judged by no man.' "
Truster calls upon Yeshua HaMashiach. He is, therefore, of the Body.
IMJerusha
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For one thing, I don't believe in excommunication. Shunning is one thing but we can not see into each other's hearts. We are to identify one another by two things 1) that we call upon the name of Yeshua and 2) the fruit we exhibit. Granted, we're not seeing a whole lot of fruit but in our hurt, we're lacking ourselves. I don't believe that any of us have the right to declare someone anathema. I choose not to be that hateful.
I'm angry, yes. I'm hurt like others, yes. But I would rather reach a place of understanding with this man than cast him out.
genuineoriginal
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All you had to do was answer yes. Yes a Calvinist needs to love the non elect. The fact that you are upset proves that I've observed a weakness in your doctrine. Should I apologize? All you had to do is say yes. You still won't. But I'll agree that praying for the non elect is the best way to love them, please do.
As for the demonic posts, you're older than me. I'm not even as old as your marriage of 50 years, you shouldn't feel so threatened by those who reject your theology.
I'd rather be brash than be self deceived of my own pride which you sometimes appear as, prideful.
As for the demonic posts, you're older than me. I'm not even as old as your marriage of 50 years, you shouldn't feel so threatened by those who reject your theology.
I'd rather be brash than be self deceived of my own pride which you sometimes appear as, prideful.
Really? I have a bridge I can sell you.
Galatians 2:4
And that because of false brethren unawares brought in, who came in privily to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage:
Matthew 7:15
Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
Matthew 24:11
And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
1 John 4:1
Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
And that because of false brethren unawares brought in, who came in privily to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage:
Matthew 7:15
Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
Matthew 24:11
And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
1 John 4:1
Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
Do you think there is some magic spell that keeps ungodly men from saying certain words by which they might deceive us?
Women are pretty discerning, but from what I've seen lots of men have been able to discern quite well on their own. You among them.
Granted.
opcorn:Of course this isn't an "assembly" of believers, but there have been others put out for various reasons. Our mods do have that power. And I'm sure we can trust them to make that decision if it needs to be made. It might depend on how much of that anger and hurt comes about. I think it's called disruption.
Matt. 18:16
But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established. And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.
1 Corinthians 5:13
But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.
But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established. And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.
1 Corinthians 5:13
But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.
Truster is on a well deserved vacation!
Lon
Well-known member
Not to argue, but address what is important...
A mixed message hurts people when an upfront and open one doesn't do that. If Arminians are subpar, befriending them isn't probably wise.
And it is just opinion, for whatever it is worth.
In Him,
Lon
Er, as would my whole convention and affiliation, I'm Southern Baptist, remember? I suppose such is an oddity but it is my oddity.
This is against my denomination, so I cannot acquiesce it or agree. It goes against an entire body of which I belong.
Just an observation and no judgement: To me, I think it hypocritical to make friends with Arminians if you feel this way. Perhaps you and others do not realize what damage and horrible mixed messages this sends: When you befriend a person, and then take them off or ignore them, you've sent a double-minded, double-standard message, imho. I practice what my church preaches online as well as off so I don't believe I'm being inconsistent. In my opinion, befriending someone sub par, isn't a friend at all.
A mixed message hurts people when an upfront and open one doesn't do that. If Arminians are subpar, befriending them isn't probably wise.
And it is just opinion, for whatever it is worth.
Yes, I am, but not for dim light. I had no idea you or Student x felt this way. This is why I think the above a double-standard. I assumed you both knew that the Southern Baptists took this hard stand against this before either of you befriended me, frankly. I am in a bit of shock, honestly. Such, imho, is the problem of a double-standard message. I had no idea befriending me or Arminians was a subpar friendship in either of your minds. It is just a shock. Thanks for being honest and open about it, I just wish I knew. I plead ignorance. I assumed that love and friendship was more-or-less unconditional. Okay, I understand now and thank you for telling me. It hurts, but thanks for being upfront. In the future, it would be helpful to hear this condition upfront. Not knowing it has hurt several people on TOL that can be easily avoided in the future, just tell us our friendship is subpar and our light is subpar for you, up front? It is better than crashing and burning from forum to forum? Just an idea.
Thank you for being upfront. I was naive. I will ask Calvinists from now on. I thought you knew I was Southern Baptist and did not/could not feel this way.
Yes, we were both inept at making our respective positions clear. For me, it wouldn't and doesn't matter because I don't draw this hard line at all. It might behoove you in the future to remain consistent and upfront. My online behavior is exactly the same as my denominational stance. There are no surprises from my side of the Calvinist camp. None. What you see is very upfront and consistent. There are no surprises.
That's what we do in the Southern Baptist Convention, but we don't adopt that hard line, therefore I can but tolerate.
Our convention does scold those of this persuasion and upfront, lets you know that such exclusion isn't tolerated. I'm not sure if that's a scolding, but it is up front, consistent, and clear.
Again, not to argue, but in the Southern Baptist Convention, this is wrong when we have purposefully gone toward inclusion. Much of your sentiment is rejected by my denomination. I cannot go against my denomination and so, again, I thank you for spelling this out. I'm sorry for confusion on both of our parts. I think, because I'm inclusive and you are not, such will ever be more your side for needed communication upfront than mine because nothing is hidden or inconsistent or seemingly so on my side of the fence.
In Him,
Lon
Brother Vinny
Active member
Is it fair to point out that if you're relying on a price you paid to escape judgment, be it God's or man's, then your reliance is misplaced?
I'm not either, but I imagine the response of one similarly zealous about their doctrinal differences would go something like, "Same to you!"
Just a guess, mind you.
That strikes me as an immense supposition, not in conclusion, but in premise. Who says you hold the part of the stick without an error?
I'd say if we love God we muddle through as best we can and as we're led and there's a great deal of useful instruction in the owner's manual that seems up for grabs and I doubt that's unintentional.
That' seems both assumptive and proud, which runs contrary to my understanding of Christ and the instructions I understand, even if I often stink at following them... Lon enjoys a dim light? Well I find the want of compassion in that remarkable, light wise. Especially if you believe you're right about a doctrinal difference.
I don't know how you could have read that without flushing and removing it before you hit send. Seriously. If Letsargue posted that it wouldn't surprise me, except grammatically, of course.
Why ask for what you don't give?
Christ paid the only price that mattered. Else, supra.
Excellent post with which I heartily concur!
All of those who are so rigidly sure of their exclusive rightness with Almighty God forget the prohibition against judgment.
At this point, sad to say, I see more light in Meshak than I do in Nang.
And it grieves me to say it.
I like Nang and have a high regard for her theological body of knowledge.
Don't forget....she doesn't teach, but comes here to learn with her husband's permission.
IMJerusha
New member
You may, but keep them pertaining to how the forum is run please.