My Experience of a Far Left, SJW Infested University Campus

[TracerBullet]

Nope, I didn't justify rape.

strippers and prostitutes can very well contribute to their being raped is a fact.

its the stripper's fault

 

[bybee]

I'm beginning to wonder if she hasn't developed a taste for conflict. By way of, she just waded into my conversation with aCW to hurl an insult because she thought it was pompous of me to respond strongly to him a) lying about me and b) attacking higher education while evidencing no particular part of it in his approach and thinking.

Indeed! I am continually amazed at her obtuseness. Her "slings and arrows" are boomerangs.

 

[Interplanner]

What is SJW?

I don't want to be a Trumper--following mindlessly something or someone I know nothing about nor understand but "like."

 

[ok doser]

its the stripper's fault

rather, the stripper's behavior might be a contributory factor


just like leaving the keys in your car when you run into the store would be seen as a contributory factor when your car is stolen

the fault of the theft is solely the thief's

but your behavior, in leaving the keys in the ignition would be seen as contributing to it

 

[ok doser]

I'm beginning to wonder if she hasn't developed a taste for conflict...

:think:

Spoiler

 

[ok doser]

What is SJW?

I don't want to be a Trumper--following mindlessly something or someone I know nothing about nor understand but "like."

Social Justice Warrior


because the world's unfair

and that's not fair


and it's all the fault of rich white men



think Purex

 

[Krsto]

lovemeorhateme it's unfortunate that in any environment people aren't free to intelligently discuss ideas, especially at a university, but you should feel yourself fortunate for getting an education in scapegoating, mimetic rivalry, group think, etc. When I was at uni in the early 80's I was the one being laughed at in class for saying I wanted to marry a godly woman (my biology teacher took some time out to talk about other things), or keep myself pure until marriage and not have sex, or that I could speak in tongues without going into a trance (as my psych prof thought Pentecostals had to do). Conversely, I also got a "talking to" if I publicly shared my ideas at a conservative church about a more egalitarian church government or that God wasn't a trinity, and got kicked out of a church for interviewing people who left to see what their beef was (since the elders were doing it because they were brainwashed into thinking their job was to protect the pastor, not protect the sheep. IOW, close-mindedness isn't restricted to either right or left. It's just human nature. Get used to it. And perhaps you will become more like Jesus who DID stick up for the oppressed and marginalized. Frankly, In this day and age I don't find much merit for Christians in the West saying we are the oppressed ones. Most of us have no idea what that's all about and do need to walk in those shoes for awhile, just as Jesus did.

 

[lovemeorhateme]

You have been aligning yourself with very conservative religious ideals and people for quite a long time, now. So of course, when you finally go out into a new public domain, you're "shocked" to see how "liberal" it is. C'mon! Who couldn't see that coming a mile away!? Did they really get all that liberal, or did YOU get a lot more conservative? Or maybe it's some of both?

All I'm saying is that you check the bias in your own eyes before you proclaim the bias in everyone else's.

I'm talking about a university with a well know reputation for militant left-wing activism. This isn't something I've misconceived, it's what this university is like.

 

[lovemeorhateme]

When and if you get in a debate with one of your liberal prof's you can let him or her know "But I am for socialist healthcare!" and that'll ease the tension between you two.

It would be presumed that I am for universal healthcare as I'm yet to meet a person here who is against it. As already stated it's fellow students that I've been having issues with, not professors.

If a conservative whether they live in the UK, the US or anywhere else is for the government controlling health care, they really can't call themselves "a conservative".

Again, you're highlighting cultural differences. Perhaps you should visit the UK to see for yourself? Conservatives here support universal healthcare. If you're implying that 'no true conservative' would believe in such a thing you're then committing yourself to the 'no true Scotsman' fallacy.

Keep in mind that there is no middle of the road in this culture war Pete, you're going to have a take a side.

I'm well aware of that and know which side I'm on.

 

[lovemeorhateme]

Welcome back LMOHM! Good to see you are doing well.

I've posted this video a few times but just in case you haven't seen it, here it is. The guy in the video lives in Sweden and he gives his take on what Sweden is like. He covers several topics including feminism, imigration, and nationalism. Some points that really stood out to me are:

1) It is considered "racist" to have even remotely nationalist views. If a native Swede wants to promote Swedish culture over non-Swedish culture they are labeled "racist". However, it's ok for immigrants to be nationalist.

2) The Greeting scandal. A muslim man was hired to work as a greeter. On his first day of work he refused to shake hands with his female supervisor because she was female. She told him that it is customary to greet everyone with a handshake. He reported her to the local government for "discrimination". The local goverment paid him $4,500 to drop the complaint.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KSJY0c8QWw

That doesn't surprise me about Sweden at all. It's very much like that here in the UK. Displays of patriotism or concern about uncontrolled immigration are often branded as 'racist'. There have also been an increasing number of court cases which seem to be based on policing thoughts and words. Indeed, a Christian pastor was taken to court by the government for preaching a sermon in his own Church where he stated that 'Islam is a doctrine spawned in hell'. Thankfully the court found him not guilty, but the very fact it went to court in the first place is worrying.

 

[PureX]

I'm talking about a university with a well know reputation for militant left-wing activism. This isn't something I've misconceived, it's what this university is like.

If you were attending a conservative Christian religious university, do you really imagine that they would be any more tolerant of feminist views than these feminists are of you? You happen to be the "odd man out" in this instance. And since you aren't going to change their minds, why not take the opportunity to learn something for yourself? Maybe you could learn something about how others feel when you impose your religious Christian morals and ideology on them? And how they feel when they come to a site like TOL where the majority is hyper-conservative, and constantly slandering and belittling all things "liberal". Colleges are places of higher learning … so learn something.

 

[ok doser]

Maybe you could learn something about how others feel when you impose your religious Christian morals and ideology on them?

what makes you think pete does that?

 

[lovemeorhateme]

I would take exception to this comment from his opening post:

"it is also treated as an immutable fact that we live in a rape culture. This in turn leads on to the presumption that all men are potential rapists who need to be "taught not to rape".

Considering the recent degeneration and scorn towards rape victims that we have recently witnessed in several threads, it's fairly obvious that rapists need to be taught and repeatedly told that rape is never acceptable and purely the fault of the rapist.

I said 'all men'. So are you now presuming that all men are potential rapists? All people are potential thieves and murderers, they know stealing and murdering are wrong but since when did telling them that stop people stealing or murdering? Rapists know rape is wrong, so telling them that won't stop them raping.

 

[lovemeorhateme]

So as a result of your experience, I imagine you'd find it much easier to empathize with someone who's been marginalized for their own 'unorthodox' viewpoint?

I can certainly empathise with those who have been marginalised for their opinions and beliefs, depending on what those opinions or beliefs are. If someone supports jihad against my country for example then I'm quite comfortable with them being marginalised.

After only five months, could it be possible they were more acquaintances and fellow students than friends?

That's probably the case. It's just unfortunate that people can't see past their politics and so decide to hate on someone with a differing viewpoint.

My campus has about 35K students. Near the end of the last semester I passed a couple of guys standing with a big banner saying something to the effect that people were going to hell if they didn't repent. I wanted to stay and see how things went for them (I was definitely thinking of TOL), maybe even talk to them, but I had to get to class. As I passed by, there were a couple students chatting with them, and everyone else was doing what I was doing - just walking by. No oppression, no verbal abuse. That's been my experience here, while that there are a lot of different opinions, students overall are pretty tolerant of the differences between.

Your campus is likely a lot more tolerant than mine. The more militantly left the campus, the more intolerant it becomes of dissenting views and opinions from what I've been reading. I mean come on, at the University of East Anglia the student union banned a Mexican restaurant from giving out free fedoras as they decided it's 'cultural appropriation' which might cause 'racial offence'.

 

[lovemeorhateme]

If you were attending a conservative Christian religious university, do you really imagine that they would be any more tolerant of feminist views than these feminists are of you? You happen to be the "odd man out" in this instance. And since you aren't going to change their minds, why not take the opportunity to learn something for yourself? Maybe you could learn something about how others feel when you impose your religious Christian morals and ideology on them? And how they feel when they come to a site like TOL where the majority is hyper-conservative, and constantly slandering and belittling all things "liberal". Colleges are places of higher learning … so learn something.

What makes you think that I've been trying to impose my Christian morals and ideology on others? That's a very large assumption you've just made there. I'm learning a lot at university, and this philosophy program is actually very good. Outside of my course, I'm also learning just how toxic and poisonous feminist/SJW ideology and identity politics really are.

 

[lovemeorhateme]

you just justified rape and blamed the victim. What you have told rapists is that sexually assaulting women and girls is just fine as long as that woman/girl deserves it.

Sexual assault is NEVER the victim’s fault. It doesn't matter if she is a pole dancer or a surgeon, it doesn't matter what sort of underwear she had on and it doesn't matter if she has had sex at some point in her life. Rape is still rape.

No one has said that here. What is being said is that it's sensible for women to take precautions to reduce the likelihood of being raped. A scantily clad woman is going to look a far more appealing target for a rapist just as someone walking around covered in gold jewellery and a wallet full of cash on show is going to make a far more appealing target for a thief. Rape is always wrong, as is stealing. But if people don't take precautions they are more likely to be victims.

 

[lovemeorhateme]

Good to see ya. :LMOHM:

What's SJW?

Good to see you too!

SJW = Social Justice Warrior. It's usually used as a derogatory term for crazy feminists and those obsessed with identity politics.

 

[aCultureWarrior]

Quote:
Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
When and if you get in a debate with one of your liberal prof's you can let him or her know "But I am for socialist healthcare!" and that'll ease the tension between you two.

It would be presumed that I am for universal healthcare as I'm yet to meet a person here who is against it. As already stated it's fellow students that I've been having issues with, not professors.

I highly doubt that your profs are conservative (most of the students' worldviews reflect that of their professors). You only need do a internet search to see the downside of the UK socialized healthcare system.

UK hospitals on the verge of collapse as socialized medicine fails
http://www.naturalnews.com/037301_hospitals_collapse_socialized_medicine.html#ixzz3yN2oGeWR

The Ugly Realities Of Socialized Medicine Are Not Going Away
http://www.forbes.com/sites/sallypi...d-medicine-are-not-going-away-3/#14e3937b1ace


Quote: Originally posted by aCultureWarrior
If a conservative whether they live in the UK, the US or anywhere else is for the government controlling health care, they really can't call themselves "a conservative".

Again, you're highlighting cultural differences. Perhaps you should visit the UK to see for yourself? Conservatives here support universal healthcare. If you're implying that 'no true conservative' would believe in such a thing you're then committing yourself to the 'no true Scotsman' fallacy.

We're all human beings no matter what side of the water we live on. You're not aware of how amazing the free market works Pete (within reason, there has to be some regulations for the safety and security of the populace). The biblical based free enterprise system made countries great, big government bureaucracy destroys them.


Quote: Originally posted by aCultureWarrior
Keep in mind that there is no middle of the road in this culture war Pete, you're going to have a take a side.

I'm well aware of that and know which side I'm on.

We've had our battles over the past few years, but I have noticed that with age, you're becoming much more conservative. There's work to be done for all of us, you're coming along remarkably well.

 

[lovemeorhateme]

Quote:
Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
When and if you get in a debate with one of your liberal prof's you can let him or her know "But I am for socialist healthcare!" and that'll ease the tension between you two.



I highly doubt that your profs are conservative (most of the students' worldviews reflect that of their professors). You only need do a internet search to see the downside of the UK socialized healthcare system.

UK hospitals on the verge of collapse as socialized medicine fails
http://www.naturalnews.com/037301_hospitals_collapse_socialized_medicine.html#ixzz3yN2oGeWR

The Ugly Realities Of Socialized Medicine Are Not Going Away
http://www.forbes.com/sites/sallypi...d-medicine-are-not-going-away-3/#14e3937b1ace

It is indeed highly doubtful that I have any conservative professors, I agree. However, I don't agree with much of what's been written here about the NHS, and indeed I can just as easily post links which show the quality of healthcare in the United Kingdom is exceptional. It's a faulty system; every system which has humans involved will always be flawed. But it works, and without the NHS I would have been declared bankrupt in the US many years ago due to the extortionate cost of healthcare there.

But please can we not derail this thread with a debate about the positives and negatives of free market vs government healthcare?

Quote: Originally posted by aCultureWarrior
If a conservative whether they live in the UK, the US or anywhere else is for the government controlling health care, they really can't call themselves "a conservative".



We're all human beings no matter what side of the water we live on. You're not aware of how amazing the free market works Pete (within reason, there has to be some regulations for the safety and security of the populace). The biblical based free enterprise system made countries great, big government bureaucracy destroys them.

I support the free market and free enterprise, believe me I do. I'm a long, long way from being a socialist. I just don't support a free market economy when it comes to healthcare. To put it another way, if I lived in the USA I would be terrified of falling ill and needing medical treatment.

Quote: Originally posted by aCultureWarrior
Keep in mind that there is no middle of the road in this culture war Pete, you're going to have a take a side.

We've had our battles over the past few years, but I have noticed that with age, you're becoming much more conservative. There's work to be done for all of us, you're coming along remarkably well.

I guess that's a good thing? When I first came to TOL just over ten years ago I was a die hard left winger. I would have gone as far as to call myself a Marxist. How times have changed!

 

[aCultureWarrior]

It is indeed highly doubtful that I have any conservative professors, I agree. However, I don't agree with much of what's been written here about the NHS, and indeed I can just as easily post links which show the quality of healthcare in the United Kingdom is exceptional. It's a faulty system; every system which has humans involved will always be flawed. But it works, and without the NHS I would have been declared bankrupt in the US many years ago due to the extortionate cost of healthcare there.

You haven't ever experienced the free enterprise system at work, so you don't know. Plus with more money in your pocket from paying less taxes, you could afford to purchase the health care plan that meets your medical needs.

But please can we not derail this thread with a debate about the positives and negatives of free market vs government healthcare?

It's all part of the liberal agenda. If you didn't want to talk about this subject you should have admonished me back on page 3.