Freak
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Mishaps were the theme of Bob's latest round...
(I have created this thread with the hopes of avoiding all the confusion in the other thread)
First, he stated: "So tribesmen can adopt minimalist clothing and condition their women to go topless, but missionaries find that women in such cultures readily reassert their modesty."
I have shared with Bob the facts. Women in these areas (prior to coming to Christ or even after coming to Christ) do not always readily reassert their modesty.
Will you now acknowledge, in light of the facts, that this statement (that you have made) is not always true: "So tribesmen can adopt minimalist clothing and condition their women to go topless, but missionaries find that women in such cultures readily reassert their modesty." Will you make the clarification, Bob?
Bob, do you recognize that "readily" was a bad choice for a word to describe what happens when missionaries arrive in a village? The facts tell us otherwise. So your statement is misleading and untrue.
These missionaries you have referred to---have they lived in Africa for any extended period of time? What nations did they visit? Have they visited many tribes (which ones) and many villages?
Bob also stated in his most recent debate with Zakath:
We conceal reproduction and the expulsion of waste (which even prostitutes and pornographers do in their private lives), and then we also cover our nakedness with clothes, and reside in private domiciles.
Bob, as I mentioned earlier to you, I have a adopted brother who is Nigerian (he's a dedicated pastor). Prior to us meeting him (in his teen years) he lived in the worse of conditions (as do many of the Africans). He didn't have a bathroom. He used the streets to expel his waste. In fact, it is common, for many of the Africans not to even worry about concealing their explusion of waste. Why worry about concealing when you can't. They simply use the streets as their bathroom. Conditions are that bad in many areas. I, my traveling companions, & my family have seen this in Benin, Nigeria, Ghana, and Togo. I have witnessed Africans simply (men & women & children) stopping on the side of the road and expelling their waste with no concern for concealment.
This is not an African phenomena either. I have seen this southeast Asia and in parts of the Carribean (I just got back from a trip to Haiti). Perhaps, you should have prefaced this portion with the fact that you are speaking of the Western World. Bob, I would encourage you to exhibit some caution in throwing these generalizations around. Ok?
Bob also stated: Since animals do not have spirits, they have no context from which to be embarrassed about relieving themselves or reproduction, and readily do both in public. A male horse pulling a carriage of tourists in Denver will defecate in front of his favorite mare and the rest of the world, while a human being would die a thousand deaths emotionally before doing likewise.
As I have proven this (see the bold) is simply untrue, Bob. People in the third world defecate in front of (even complete strangers) someone without any shame. This is their life.
Bob also stated: Even nudists use private restrooms and claim to conceal their sexual behavior from relatives and other onlookers.
Again this is simply untrue. I remember driving with some friends down a street outside Kingston, Jamaica back in 1989, and seeing a a totally nude man & woman having sex on the side of the road with no concern of onlookers.
Bob, as a pastor, you have an obligation in a formal debate to make sure you're not misleading people into believing something that is not entirely true, correct? So, perhaps you can address these concerns and make the necessary corrections. Thank you.
(I have created this thread with the hopes of avoiding all the confusion in the other thread)
First, he stated: "So tribesmen can adopt minimalist clothing and condition their women to go topless, but missionaries find that women in such cultures readily reassert their modesty."
I have shared with Bob the facts. Women in these areas (prior to coming to Christ or even after coming to Christ) do not always readily reassert their modesty.
Will you now acknowledge, in light of the facts, that this statement (that you have made) is not always true: "So tribesmen can adopt minimalist clothing and condition their women to go topless, but missionaries find that women in such cultures readily reassert their modesty." Will you make the clarification, Bob?
Bob, do you recognize that "readily" was a bad choice for a word to describe what happens when missionaries arrive in a village? The facts tell us otherwise. So your statement is misleading and untrue.
These missionaries you have referred to---have they lived in Africa for any extended period of time? What nations did they visit? Have they visited many tribes (which ones) and many villages?
Bob also stated in his most recent debate with Zakath:
We conceal reproduction and the expulsion of waste (which even prostitutes and pornographers do in their private lives), and then we also cover our nakedness with clothes, and reside in private domiciles.
Bob, as I mentioned earlier to you, I have a adopted brother who is Nigerian (he's a dedicated pastor). Prior to us meeting him (in his teen years) he lived in the worse of conditions (as do many of the Africans). He didn't have a bathroom. He used the streets to expel his waste. In fact, it is common, for many of the Africans not to even worry about concealing their explusion of waste. Why worry about concealing when you can't. They simply use the streets as their bathroom. Conditions are that bad in many areas. I, my traveling companions, & my family have seen this in Benin, Nigeria, Ghana, and Togo. I have witnessed Africans simply (men & women & children) stopping on the side of the road and expelling their waste with no concern for concealment.
This is not an African phenomena either. I have seen this southeast Asia and in parts of the Carribean (I just got back from a trip to Haiti). Perhaps, you should have prefaced this portion with the fact that you are speaking of the Western World. Bob, I would encourage you to exhibit some caution in throwing these generalizations around. Ok?
Bob also stated: Since animals do not have spirits, they have no context from which to be embarrassed about relieving themselves or reproduction, and readily do both in public. A male horse pulling a carriage of tourists in Denver will defecate in front of his favorite mare and the rest of the world, while a human being would die a thousand deaths emotionally before doing likewise.
As I have proven this (see the bold) is simply untrue, Bob. People in the third world defecate in front of (even complete strangers) someone without any shame. This is their life.
Bob also stated: Even nudists use private restrooms and claim to conceal their sexual behavior from relatives and other onlookers.
Again this is simply untrue. I remember driving with some friends down a street outside Kingston, Jamaica back in 1989, and seeing a a totally nude man & woman having sex on the side of the road with no concern of onlookers.
Bob, as a pastor, you have an obligation in a formal debate to make sure you're not misleading people into believing something that is not entirely true, correct? So, perhaps you can address these concerns and make the necessary corrections. Thank you.
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