The scriptures were about testaments.
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Are you starting a new topic ?
what topic would that be ?
The promise had already been made to Abraham.
As I look at it some more, the first promise was for an heir, and the second was for a nation.
Th second promise came with the circumcision clause.
Jesus had a plan for gentiles but kept it a mystery until the Mid Acts Dispensation Rom. 16:25
Gen 15:5 And he brought him outside and said, "Look toward heaven, and number the stars, if you are able to number them." Then he said to him, "So shall your offspring be."
Gen 15:6 And he believed the LORD, and he counted it to him as righteousness.
Gen 17:5 No longer shall your name be called Abram, but your name shall be Abraham, for I have made you the father of a multitude of nations.
Gen 17:6 I will make you exceedingly fruitful, and I will make you into nations, and kings shall come from you.
Gen 17:7 And I will establish my covenant between me and you and your offspring after you throughout their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be God to you and to your offspring after you.
(Romans 4:7-11) [7] saying, Blessed are those whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered. [8] Blessed is a man to whom the Lord does, no, not impute sin. [9] Is this blessedness therefore upon men of circumcision, or also upon men of uncircumcision? For we say, Faith was reckoned to Abraham for righteousness. [10] How then was it reckoned? When he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision. [11] And he received the sign of circumcision, as a seal of the righteousness of his faith during uncircumcision, for him to be father of all those who believe during uncircumcision (for righteousness to also be imputed to them),
If you don't feel like remaining faithful until the end, why be faithful now ?
It's a gift
(Ephesians 2:8) For by grace you are saved through faith, and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God,
Faith is the hypostasis (substance) of things hoped for, so it is the means of our hypsotatic union with Christ.
This is a problematically difficult thing to grasp for most anti-sacramental Protestants. Faith isn’t believING, it’s the thing given to man that does the believing.
only you see it with your argument from silence
(Acts 21:17-20) [17] And when we came to Jerusalem, the brothers received us gladly. [18] And on the following day Paul went in with us to James, and all the elders were present. [19] And having greeted them, he reported one by one what God did among the Gentiles through his ministry. [20] And when the men heard, they glorified God, having said to him, Thou see, brother, how many thousands there are of the Jews who have believed, and they are all zealots of the law.
Is there something wrong with that?
Much of the Law didn't apply to those who had converted to Christianity.
Can't you see the men's statement as a generality ?
argument from silence is a logical fallacy .
if they were proselytes it did .
can't you see we're not zealots for the Law , um maybe you are , but not those of us who walk by the spirit by faith
The "good news" had to spread eventually, as it had with the Grecian widows of Acts 6, and then by Philip, Peter, and John at Samaria in Acts 8.
It was kept a mystery until Paul \Mid Acts Dispensation
(Romans 16:25-26) [25] Now to him that is of power to establish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the
mystery, which was kept secret since the world began, [26]
But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:
and Jesus didn't preach that
(I Corinthians 2:7-8) [7] But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world to our glory: [8] Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they
would not have crucified the Lord of glory.
All I care about from the Jewish, OT, faith or salvation, are the presages I see fulfilled by Christ Jesus.
Is that the truth Jesus said could free us from committing sin...in John 8:32-34 ?
argument by assertion
(John 8:32) And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
Jesus meant for his disciples to keep the Law and that he would be the atonement
(Matthew 5:18-19) [18] For truly I say to you, Till the heaven and the earth pass away, not one jot or one tittle shall in any way pass from the law until all is fulfilled. [19] Therefore whoever shall break one of these commandments, the least, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of Heaven. But whoever shall do and teach them , the same shall be called great in the kingdom of Heaven.
Paul on the other hand
(Romans 4:7-11) [7] saying, Blessed are those whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered. [8] Blessed is a man to whom the Lord does, no, not impute sin. [9] Is this blessedness therefore upon men of circumcision, or also upon men of uncircumcision? For we say, Faith was reckoned to Abraham for righteousness. [10] How then was it reckoned? When he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision. [11] And he received the sign of circumcision, as a seal of the righteousness of his faith during uncircumcision, for him to be father of all those who believe during uncircumcision (for righteousness to also be imputed to them),
"It is permanent, until you"
do you set the standard do you add to the Law.
you who judges by appearance
What is written in my heart is from God.
no it's just your opinion
or should we canonize everything you say ?
anything less than this a whore ?
It is to some, but I know the way Christian women dress, and it is in line with the modesty and submission demanded by God.
They don't dress like whores.
"It is permanent, until you"
you love the Law while you break it , whats that called
(John 7:24) Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.
If that Lazarus was a real person, why wasn't he mentioned after his name was cited ?
(Luke 16:24-25) [24] And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me and send Lazarus so that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, for I am tormented in this flame. [25] But Abraham said, Son, remember that you in your lifetime received your good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things. But now he is comforted and you are tormented.
(Luke 16:27) And he said, I beg you therefore, father, that you would send him to my father's house,
your salvation is dependent on you
Yes, as I will be the one judged for my actions.
I was the one supplied with all I need to remain loving and charitable and free from sin.
It is up to me to use what I have been given.
"It is permanent, until you"
As God certainly won't cause you to commit any sins, you "have it made".
(Romans 4:13-15) [13] For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith. [14] For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect: [15] Because the law works wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.
Not is the "historical" tense he was using.
It was a narrative of his past life.
Paul was leading us through the progression of his past faith.
That was about the bottom of the barrel for him during his past while still walking in the flesh.
no ,try again
if was past tense then Paul is saying he wasn't responsible for his sin
and he also said "no more" indicating something changed
(Romans 7:18-20) [18] For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh) dwells no good thing. For to will is present with me, but how to perform that which is good I do not find. [19] For I do not do the good that I desire; but the evil which I do not will, that I do. [20] But if I do what I do not desire, it is
no more I working it out, but sin dwelling in me.
It is dependent on me, as I will be the one to suffer for any lapses in my faith.
But circumcision and dietary Laws have nothing to do with it.
(Matthew 5:18-19) [18] For truly I say to you, Till the heaven and the earth pass away, not one jot or one tittle shall in any way pass from the law until all is fulfilled. [19] Therefore whoever shall break one of these commandments, the least, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of Heaven. But whoever shall do and teach them , the same shall be called great in the kingdom of Heaven.
Agreed
Thanks be to God for allowing the destruction of the flesh at our crucifixion with Christ. (Rom 6:6)
metaphorically speaking
(Romans 6:11) Likewise reckon you also yourselves to be dead indeed to sin, but alive to God through Jesus Christ our Lord
If I committed any sins, they would be real sins.
yes you do sin , but you're not under the Law
(Romans 4:13-15) [13] For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith. [14] For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect: [15] Because the law works wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.
I don't know how you arrived at that idea.
Like Paul, the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has eclipsed the law of sin and death in my life.
this is you
(Matthew 5:18-19) [18] For truly I say to you, Till the heaven and the earth pass away, not one jot or one tittle shall in any way pass from the law until all is fulfilled. [19] Therefore whoever shall break one of these commandments, the least, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of Heaven. But whoever shall do and teach them , the same shall be called great in the kingdom of Heaven.
(Romans 7:24) O wretched man that I am ! Who shall deliver me from the body of this death
(Romans 6:6) knowing this, that our old man is crucified with Him in order that the body of sin might be destroyed, that from now on we should not serve sin
you think you don't sin is still laughable
You thinking there is sin in Christ Jesus is lamentable.
you're not Jesus
Are not you glad Paul had already asserted his freedom from the flesh in Ro 7:5 ?..."For when we were in the flesh, ..."
argument by assertion
Paul made a distinction between his spirit and his flesh
(Romans 7:15-17) [15] For that which I do, I know not. For what I desire, that I do not do; but what I hate, that I do. [16] If then I do that which I do not desire, I consent to the law that it is good. [17] But now it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwells in me.
Which verse ?
Rom 8:9..."But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his."
Eph 5:30..."For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones."
Eph 5:31-32..."For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.
32 This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.
Just as there is no darkness/sin in God, neither is there sin in those in God.
neither is there sin in those in God because we are made righteous by faith
(Romans 4:2-8) [2] For if Abraham were justified by works, he has whereof to glory; but not before God. [3] For what said the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted to him for righteousness. [4] Now to him that works is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. [5] But to him that works not, but believes on him that justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. [6] Even as David also describes the blessedness of the man, to whom God imputes righteousness without works, [7] Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered. [8] Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.
