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It is all fulfilled in Christ.
Who cares about earthly things when we have what is spiritual?
ECT MAD is a lie and is proved to be a lie from scripture !
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It is all fulfilled in Christ.
Who cares about earthly things when we have what is spiritual?
Yeah, rather than thinking about it and believing it, just shove it into the 'all fulfilled in Christ' drawer and forget about it.
Then, you don't have to deal with it.
Do you ever wonder why the Apostle Paul never mentions what you are saying above?
Then why don't you?
Romans 3
10 As it is written:
“There is none righteous, no, not one; 11 There is none who understands; There is none who seeks after God. 12 They have all turned aside; They have together become unprofitable; There is none who does good, no, not one.
Paul is explaining why you in fact, need a savior.
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1Co 6:9
Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
1Co 6:10
Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
1Co 6:11
And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
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And justification is unlike sanctification. Justification deals with sin as debt. Sanctification deals with ongoing actions/habits that need redemption, cleansing.
No.
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Well not exactly. Faith justifies us, faith in Jesus' blood cleaning us of the sins we repent of doing, and Jesus sanctifies us and at that time lives inside us.
Then we continue to live up to that.
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That scripture is not saying no one can obey ever. That scripture is about how even the righteous that obey, they too have sinned.
That scripture is where Paul quotes an old testament scripture during a particularly bad time for Israel.
Paul is quoting King David. Paul is explaining that the Jews were sinful too, and explaining to the Gentiles how Jews are not much unlike the chosen Jews who also sinned.
What is King David saying where Paul quotes? Listen carefully; at that time in which David speaks, the people are in a bad condition inside Israel. When the day spoken of arrived, no one searched for God.
If no one ever searched for God, ever, then how was it that the Israelites called out to God to help them when they thought God had forgotten them while they were slaves in Egypt?
Exodus 3:9 And now the cry of the Israelites has reached me, and I have seen the way the Egyptians are oppressing them.
Deuteronomy 26:7 Then we cried out to the LORD, the God of our ancestors, and the LORD heard our voice and saw our misery, toil and oppression.
If no one ever searched for God, then why do the scriptures say people did?
In the New Testament, when Jesus arrived, people shouted: “Son of David, have mercy on me”. They were looking for the Messiah.
In the New Testament a blind man was searching for the Son of God, the prophet’s had said would come.
I just showed you that people do search for God. Again, Paul was explaining that the Jews were sinners like the Gentiles, even though the Jews were supposed to be God’s Holy people.
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Excellent point.
Only in your imagination.
How does sinning make them righteous?????
Because the Apostle Paul did not hold to your erroneous assertion that the Lord returned in 70AD in the person of the Roman Army marching into Jerusalem.
And no, not because the Apostle was martyred before 70AD.
O when the Romans,
O when the Romans.
O when the Romans,
Come marching in.
O Lord is that you,
In their number?
That Tet's delusion,
Sees you in.
Again - welcome back, Tet :chuckle:
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God loved Abraham because he had faith and obeyed everything that God said.
So God promised that Abraham's children, grandchildren, great grandchildren, their children, on and on...that those blood related to Abraham, from that blood line, the Savior of the world will come.
Now that Jesus has come, only his blood matters.
All things are now of Jesus Christ; all things on earth, all things in hell/prison, meaning things past that lived before, all things in heaven and all things that will come to life in the future. Jesus is before all. Jesus is above everything. Since Jesus, all must go through Jesus to be saved.
When Jesus came and died for the whole world, it was no half completed failed mission to be continued at a later date.
Jesus never came to live on this world as an earthly King. Eh, really? Do you really want to believe that this world was something to be desired to live on and rule? No. Jesus came to save us from this evil world. He came to teach us about his world, what was spiritual, what was of God. One day there will be a new earth, and not like this decaying earth, this decaying earth that you have the audacity to think Jesus wanted to live here. It is as if you think it is something to be desired, to live here and be King as opposed to being King over the whole universe, the earth included.
When Jesus came, he tore down the veil of the old law, and he tore down the dividing wall, the wall that divided people by blood and by purity; The wall that separated the chosen Jews, from the uncircumcised...that way is gone. We are all alike and all condemned. We must all come to God the same way, no blood relative of Abraham has a better promise. No blood relative of Abraham is blessed just because of Abraham. No blood relative of Abraham has another chance later. All have the same chance now.
The old law has faded away.
No one can even do any of the old law anymore.
During the time of the apostles, the old law could still be followed, for there was an earthly temple and an earthly priesthood, and the pharisees and teachers of the law enforced it.
Jesus said it would be destroyed.
It has been destroyed.
To be built again is to blasphemy God, for God's temple is Jesus Christ, and all those who believe in Jesus.
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...but are you saying you believe that the earthly Israel given to the Jews by America, while living in threat of war constantly, is the peace Jesus was speaking of?
The standard to enter into life is perfection. No one is righteous, even though you intentionally just said the righteous sin. No, they don't. That is why one is righteous.
Well....you probably should, cause you have subscribed to something the Apostle Paul never taught.
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MAD is a lie and is proved to be a lie from scripture !
(Rom 16:20) The God of peace will soon crush Satan under your feet.
I know, I know, the word "soon" means 1,900+ years and still counting, to Darby Followers.
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(Rom 16:20) The God of peace will soon crush Satan under your feet.
I know, I know, the word "soon" means 1,900+ years and still counting, to Darby Followers.
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BECAUSE THEY WERE NOT DEAD IN THEIR SINS---they did the purification/ceremonial works of the flesh.
The Gentiles were DEAD in their SINS AND IN THE UNcircumcision of their flesh.
Colossians 2:13 When you were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made you alive with Christ. He forgave us all our sins,