ECT MAD error #433: That Israel was offered a restored state

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Danoh

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Interplanner said:
Yet there is nothing else in Acts about it. UnBingo.
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You're an idiot. Plain and simple.

He and they both mention it twice in Luke 24.

It is mentioned three times in Acts 1.

Another three times in Acts 2.

Another three times in Acts 3.

And so on, til Acts 7.

Paul mentions it here and there - as in Acts 17; which he later reminds them in 1 Thessalonians 5 and again in 2 Thessalonians 2, was delayed.

The key, you incompetent, is in what their use of the phrase "the Christ" is a reference to when dealing with Israel.

That is what Acts 2's "made him both Lord and Christ" - that is what the phrase "the LORD and his Christ" in Acts 4 are a reference to.

That is - o never mind you Holforddian dimwit.
 
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Right Divider said:
Because Israel rejected their KING and their KINGDOM and God revealed something new; the NEW CREATURE.

BINGO!!!

Nothing cancelled, just postponed.
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No, there is no hint of that anywhere either. What was launched was exactly what was planned from generations back. "Known for generations" says Amos 9 in Acts 15.

You need to work out why, after the rise and fall of Israel and exile and return and then destruction in the 1st century by declaration of Christ--why is there is need for another kingdom? It no longer matters. It is not the hinge that "proves" the Bible. The declaration of the DofJ is much better and obvious history.

We now have Eph 1-4 as astounding fulfillment, as the fulfilled kingdom of Christ (Col 1's parallel). Where does this need of unfinished business come from? I can never understand it in light of the overarching fulfillment of Christ and the declarations that are to be made about him. He is already King of Kings and Lord of Lords and is to be preached that way.

This is so well known that when Handel was given the lyrics for MESSIAH to compose, Rev. 11:15 was placed right after the resurrection songs, as most theologians in Reformation belief have taught. The preaching of the resurrection of the apostles was basically to preach Ps 2, 16 and 110--that the resurrection was his coronation and sitting down on his throne, except that he got up to welcome Stephen.
 
steko

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meshak said:
here it is:

Luke 19:5-9New International Version (NIV)

5 When Jesus reached the spot, he looked up and said to him, “Zacchaeus, come down immediately. I must stay at your house today.” 6 So he came down at once and welcomed him gladly.

7 All the people saw this and began to mutter, “He has gone to be the guest of a sinner.”

8 But Zacchaeus stood up and said to the Lord, “Look, Lord! Here and now I give half of my possessions to the poor, and if I have cheated anybody out of anything, I will pay back four times the amount.”

9 Jesus said to him, “Today salvation has come to this house, because this man, too, is a son of Abraham.
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meshak said:
Steko,

do you understand this passage?
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Thank you!

I do understand it.
 
steko

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Lazy afternoon said:
The seed of Abraham who have faith in Christ are Israel.
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No, the seed of Jacob/Israel who had the faith of Abraham are Israel.
Gentiles who have the faith of Abraham are not Israel but they are the seed of Abraham.

Christ is the seed promised to Abraham and we who are in Christ are counted as the seed.
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Christ is the singular seed promised to Abraham, and those who are in Christ are counted as the seed, but.....are not Israel.


Gal 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
Gal 3:7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.
Gal 3:8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.
Gal 3:9 So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.


Gal 4:22 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.
Gal 4:23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.
Gal 4:24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.
Gal 4:25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.
Gal 4:26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.
Gal 4:27 For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband.
Gal 4:28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.
Gal 4:29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.
Gal 4:30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.
Gal 4:31 So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.
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Yep.

The seed of Abraham according to his flesh were given circumcision of the flesh, but the seed in Christ are given circumcision of the spirit/heart.
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And the plural seed of Abraham according to the flesh who were/will be circumcised in the flesh and were circumcised in heart are/will be the Israel of GOD.




Christs death ended the covenant God made with the flesh of Abraham.
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Nope, Christ's death ended the covenant GOD made though Moses at Sinai, not His covenant made with Abraham 430 years earlier concerning his plural seed and the land.

Do not think God will reintroduce it, because then you are denying the death, burial and resurrection of Christ.
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Christ will make His New Covenant with Israel at His second coming and it is possible only through His work on the cross.
 
beameup

beameup

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He was the lamb of God from day one.
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The "lamb of God" could have been offered up - "bound upon the horns of the altar" - by the high priest, following the "pattern" set by Abraham in offering up his "only son". Abraham knew full well that God would raise Isaac from the dead.
God is the LORD, which hath shewed us light:
bind the sacrifice with cords, even unto the horns of the altar. - Psalm 118:27
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Psalm 118 was the Psalm chanted at the triumphal entry;
it was the Psalm recited before Passover when the chosen lamb,
without spot or blemish, was soon to be offered up, by the
high priest as a sin sacrifice for the Nation of Israel.
 
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Grosnick Marowbe

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No, there is no hint of that anywhere either. What was launched was exactly what was planned from generations back. "Known for generations" says Amos 9 in Acts 15.

You need to work out why, after the rise and fall of Israel and exile and return and then destruction in the 1st century by declaration of Christ--why is there is need for another kingdom? It no longer matters. It is not the hinge that "proves" the Bible. The declaration of the DofJ is much better and obvious history.

We now have Eph 1-4 as astounding fulfillment, as the fulfilled kingdom of Christ (Col 1's parallel). Where does this need of unfinished business come from? I can never understand it in light of the overarching fulfillment of Christ and the declarations that are to be made about him. He is already King of Kings and Lord of Lords and is to be preached that way.

This is so well known that when Handel was given the lyrics for MESSIAH to compose, Rev. 11:15 was placed right after the resurrection songs, as most theologians in Reformation belief have taught. The preaching of the resurrection of the apostles was basically to preach Ps 2, 16 and 110--that the resurrection was his coronation and sitting down on his throne, except that he got up to welcome Stephen.
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Huh?? :idunno:
 
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steko said:
No, the seed of Jacob/Israel who had the faith of Abraham are Israel.
Gentiles who have the faith of Abraham are not Israel but they are the seed of Abraham.



Christ is the singular seed promised to Abraham, and those who are in Christ are counted as the seed, but.....are not Israel.




Yep.



And the plural seed of Abraham according to the flesh who were/will be circumcised in the flesh and were circumcised in heart are/will be the Israel of GOD.






Nope, Christ's death ended the covenant GOD made though Moses at Sinai, not His covenant made with Abraham 430 years earlier concerning his plural seed and the land.



Christ will make His New Covenant with Israel at His second coming and it is possible only through His work on the cross.
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Rom 9:6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
Rom 9:7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
Rom 9:8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

Christ began the new covenant with the spilling of His blood and the pouring out of His Spirit fulfilling --
Zec 13:1 In that day there shall be a fountain opened to the house of David and to the inhabitants of Jerusalem for sin and for uncleanness.
Zec 13:2 And it shall come to pass in that day, saith the LORD of hosts, that I will cut off the names of the idols out of the land, and they shall no more be remembered: and also I will cause the prophets and the unclean spirit to pass out of the land.

The next verse was fulfilled 2000 years ago also.

Zec 13:3 And it shall come to pass, that when any shall yet prophesy, then his father and his mother that begat him shall say unto him, Thou shalt not live; for thou speakest lies in the name of the LORD: and his father and his mother that begat him shall thrust him through when he prophesieth.



Heb 12:22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
Heb 12:23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
Heb 12:24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.

If the new covenant is not now in force then you have no mediator, and you are outside of the Kingdom and in your sins.

LA
 
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