Let's take a breather on geology. Let's get into linguistics.

[Idolater]

Are these people Noah's family?

Samara culture - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Hypothetical culture without a known predecessor. Right around where we think the ark might have grounded (within reason anyway). Linguistically these people spoke Proto Indo European. These people originated All our known Indo European languages.

Were they Noah? and Noah's family?

 

[marke]

Are these people Noah's family?

Samara culture - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Hypothetical culture without a known predecessor. Right around where we think the ark might have grounded (within reason anyway). Linguistically these people spoke Proto Indo European. These people originated All our known Indo European languages.

Were they Noah? and Noah's family?

As a side note I feel compelled to mention that the oldest archaeological evidence of human civilization is no older than 10,000 years.

 

[Idolater]

As a side note I feel compelled to mention that the oldest archaeological evidence of human civilization is no older than 10,000 years.

It's interesting that atheistic non-Bible believing linguists date the origin of all our languages to right around the time we figure the Flood occurred.

Can't think why that might correlate. It's a mystery!

 

[JudgeRightly]

Are these people Noah's family?

Samara culture - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Hypothetical culture without a known predecessor. Right around where we think the ark might have grounded (within reason anyway). Linguistically these people spoke Proto Indo European. These people originated All our known Indo European languages.

Were they Noah? and Noah's family?

Japheth's family went north. They would have been his descendants.

 

[Idolater]

Japheth's family went north. They would have been his descendants.

But then there's also Babel.

Noah and his family obviously spoke one language, right? When they were together, unless they specifically chose otherwise they would have all spoken just one language. Babel indicates that this was the case. How long after the Flood do we figure Babel occurred? It was how many generations?

I can't tell but I think linguists identify two or three roots to all human languages, what's the relationship between these roots and Babel?

Do we think Babel was near or was Babylon, iow do we think Babel was in present day Iraq?

 

[JudgeRightly]

But then there's also Babel.

Noah and his family obviously spoke one language, right? When they were together, unless they specifically chose otherwise they would have all spoken just one language. Babel indicates that this was the case. How long after the Flood do we figure Babel occurred? It was how many generations?

I can't tell but I think linguists identify two or three roots to all human languages, what's the relationship between these roots and Babel?

Do we think Babel was near or was Babylon, iow do we think Babel was in present day Iraq?

Genesis 10 seems to give some indication, but nothing specific, though it does say this:

To Eber were born two sons: the name of one was Peleg, for in his days the earth was divided; and his brother’s name was Joktan. - Genesis 10:25 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis10:25&version=NKJV

"for in [Peleg's] day the earth was divided"

This (according to the HPT) was when the continents had settled to the point where it was no longer possible to cross what used to be land bridges between the continents, such as between Russia and Alaska, and between Asia and Australia. It would have seriously hindered any travel between the land masses apart from boats. So that would be the upper limit of when Babel occurred, and obviously, the lower limit would be the Flood itself.

In the Beginning: Compelling Evidence for Creation and the Flood - How Was the Earth Divided in Peleg’s Day?

 

[7djengo7]

Genesis 10 seems to give some indication, but nothing specific, though it does say this:

To Eber were born two sons: the name of one was Peleg, for in his days the earth was divided; and his brother’s name was Joktan. - Genesis 10:25 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis10:25&version=NKJV

"for in [Peleg's] day the earth was divided"

This (according to the HPT) was when the continents had settled to the point where it was no longer possible to cross what used to be land bridges between the continents, such as between Russia and Alaska, and between Asia and Australia. It would have seriously hindered any travel between the land masses apart from boats. So that would be the upper limit of when Babel occurred, and obviously, the lower limit would be the Flood itself.

In the Beginning: Compelling Evidence for Creation and the Flood - How Was the Earth Divided in Peleg’s Day?

 

[Idolater]

Genesis 10 seems to give some indication, but nothing specific, though it does say this:

To Eber were born two sons: the name of one was Peleg, for in his days the earth was divided; and his brother’s name was Joktan. - Genesis 10:25 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis10:25&version=NKJV

"for in [Peleg's] day the earth was divided"

This (according to the HPT) was when the continents had settled to the point where it was no longer possible to cross what used to be land bridges between the continents, such as between Russia and Alaska, and between Asia and Australia. It would have seriously hindered any travel between the land masses apart from boats. So that would be the upper limit of when Babel occurred, and obviously, the lower limit would be the Flood itself.

In the Beginning: Compelling Evidence for Creation and the Flood - How Was the Earth Divided in Peleg’s Day?

OK. I more think it is Babel that it's talking about (Peleg's name); is that a possible reading in your view? In history, it puts Babel somewhere between Noah and Abraham, and not real close to either, which is what I think we all agree?

 

[Idolater]

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This guy:

https://twitter.com/StanRockPatton

... is obsessed with "polysemy," blaming on it many if not most of the "bugs" (he's a computer programmer by trade) of philosophy. Aristotle wrote about polysemy too (cf. homonymy), according to multiple peer-reviewed scholarly articles' titles (I don't have access to these peer-reviewed journals to actually read these essays, I can only see their titles).

I have a theory that when you and I speak English to each other, that we're actually only using our own personal, private, highly customized languages, which are "hosted" by English. I am entertaining that this is what happened at Babel. I think God introduced polysemy, and thus private languages which are only "hosted" by what we know of as (linguistic?) languages (not "hosted" private language but things like Chinese, English, Russian, etc., and these languages all "host" each speaker's private languages, which are all in part made up of polysemous words or homonyms) would have been used first after Babel.

And that's why, according to this theory, the salient predicate which is attributed to Babel is "confusion." It's not like all of a sudden someone started speaking Latin, and someone else started speaking Greek, and someone else started speaking Hebrew. They were all speaking the same "host" language, except that now, they would all "use the same words" but some of them were now polysemous or homonyms. Confusion.

Anyway. e4e.

 

[JudgeRightly]

I more think it is Babel that it's talking about (Peleg's name); is that a possible reading in your view?

Hydroplate Theory, Global Flood, and Dr. Walt Brown | KGOV.com

kgov.com

In the Beginning: Compelling Evidence for Creation and the Flood - How Was the Earth Divided in Peleg’s Day?

In history, it puts Babel somewhere between Noah and Abraham, and not real close to either, which is what I think we all agree?

See the second link.

 

[Idolater]

Hydroplate Theory, Global Flood, and Dr. Walt Brown | KGOV.com

kgov.com

In the Beginning: Compelling Evidence for Creation and the Flood - How Was the Earth Divided in Peleg’s Day?

See the second link.

But Nimrod only started Babel, it doesn't say that as soon as Babel was founded, then there was confusion immediately.

 

[ttruscott]

As a side note I feel compelled to mention that the oldest archaeological evidence of human civilization is no older than 10,000 years.

14,000-year-old village discovered in Canada

Site on Triquet Island confirms Heiltsuk Nation’s stories of ancient coastal communities passed on through generations

www.independent.co.uk

"
An ancient village believed to be one of the oldest human settlements ever found in North America has been discovered during an excavation on a remote island in British Columbia.

The village, which is estimated to be 14,000 years old, has been found on a rocky spit on Triquet Island, about 500 kilometres northwest of Victoria, Canada."

 

[JudgeRightly]

14,000-year-old village discovered in Canada

Site on Triquet Island confirms Heiltsuk Nation’s stories of ancient coastal communities passed on through generations

www.independent.co.uk

"
An ancient village believed to be one of the oldest human settlements ever found in North America has been discovered during an excavation on a remote island in British Columbia.

The village, which is estimated to be 14,000 years old, has been found on a rocky spit on Triquet Island, about 500 kilometres northwest of Victoria, Canada."

What's your point?