ECT Kingdom Of God

[Squeaky]

Whether discussion (different from an argument) or conversation I don't think we are arguing if we are considering what the other person has to say and responding to the best of our ability. Ultimately we have scripture to teach us both.

I said
That's why I share the scriptures that motivate me to reply
1 Pet 3:15-16
15 But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts, and always be ready to give a defense to everyone who asks you a reason for the hope that is in you, with meekness and fear;
16 having a good conscience, that when they defame you as evildoers, those who revile your good conduct in Christ may be ashamed.
(NKJ).

 

[Jacob]

I said
That's why I share the scriptures that motivate me to reply
1 Pet 3:15-16
15 But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts, and always be ready to give a defense to everyone who asks you a reason for the hope that is in you, with meekness and fear;
16 having a good conscience, that when they defame you as evildoers, those who revile your good conduct in Christ may be ashamed.
(NKJ).

How did she know it was Jesus without recognizing Him?

 

[Squeaky]

How did she know it was Jesus without recognizing Him?

I said
Because He spoke her name.

John 20:13-16
13 Then they said to her, "Woman, why are you weeping?" She said to them, "Because they have taken away my Lord, and I do not know where they have laid Him."
14 Now when she had said this, she turned around and saw Jesus standing there, and did not know that it was Jesus.
15 Jesus said to her, "Woman, why are you weeping? Whom are you seeking?" She, supposing Him to be the gardener, said to Him, "Sir, if You have carried Him away, tell me where You have laid Him, and I will take Him away."
16 Jesus said to her, "Mary!" She turned and said to Him, "Rabboni!" (which is to say, Teacher).
(NKJ)

 

[Jacob]

I said
Because He spoke her name.

John 20:13-16
13 Then they said to her, "Woman, why are you weeping?" She said to them, "Because they have taken away my Lord, and I do not know where they have laid Him."
14 Now when she had said this, she turned around and saw Jesus standing there, and did not know that it was Jesus.
15 Jesus said to her, "Woman, why are you weeping? Whom are you seeking?" She, supposing Him to be the gardener, said to Him, "Sir, if You have carried Him away, tell me where You have laid Him, and I will take Him away."
16 Jesus said to her, "Mary!" She turned and said to Him, "Rabboni!" (which is to say, Teacher).
(NKJ)

Yes, she recognized Him then for sure.

 

[Squeaky]

How did she know it was Jesus without recognizing Him?

I said
Read this also.

Luke 24:25-41
25 Then He said to them, "O foolish ones, and slow of heart to believe in all that the prophets have spoken!
26 "Ought not the Christ to have suffered these things and to enter into His glory?"
27 And beginning at Moses and all the Prophets, He expounded to them in all the Scriptures the things concerning Himself.
28 Then they drew near to the village where they were going, and He indicated that He would have gone farther.
29 But they constrained Him, saying, "Abide with us, for it is toward evening, and the day is far spent." And He went in to stay with them.
30 Now it came to pass, as He sat at the table with them, that He took bread, blessed and broke it, and gave it to them.
31 Then their eyes were opened and they knew Him; and He vanished from their sight.
32 And they said to one another, "Did not our heart burn within us while He talked with us on the road, and while He opened the Scriptures to us?"
33 So they rose up that very hour and returned to Jerusalem, and found the eleven and those who were with them gathered together,
34 saying, "The Lord is risen indeed, and has appeared to Simon!"
35 And they told about the things that had happened on the road, and how He was known to them in the breaking of bread.
36 Now as they said these things, Jesus Himself stood in the midst of them, and said to them, "Peace to you."
37 But they were terrified and frightened, and supposed they had seen a spirit.
38 And He said to them, "Why are you troubled? And why do doubts arise in your hearts?
39 "Behold My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself. Handle Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see I have."
40 When He had said this, He showed them His hands and His feet.
41 But while they still did not believe for joy, and marveled, He said to them, "Have you any food here?"
(NKJ)

 

[Jacob]

I said
Read this also.

Luke 24:25-41
25 Then He said to them, "O foolish ones, and slow of heart to believe in all that the prophets have spoken!
26 "Ought not the Christ to have suffered these things and to enter into His glory?"
27 And beginning at Moses and all the Prophets, He expounded to them in all the Scriptures the things concerning Himself.
28 Then they drew near to the village where they were going, and He indicated that He would have gone farther.
29 But they constrained Him, saying, "Abide with us, for it is toward evening, and the day is far spent." And He went in to stay with them.
30 Now it came to pass, as He sat at the table with them, that He took bread, blessed and broke it, and gave it to them.
31 Then their eyes were opened and they knew Him; and He vanished from their sight.
32 And they said to one another, "Did not our heart burn within us while He talked with us on the road, and while He opened the Scriptures to us?"
33 So they rose up that very hour and returned to Jerusalem, and found the eleven and those who were with them gathered together,
34 saying, "The Lord is risen indeed, and has appeared to Simon!"
35 And they told about the things that had happened on the road, and how He was known to them in the breaking of bread.
36 Now as they said these things, Jesus Himself stood in the midst of them, and said to them, "Peace to you."
37 But they were terrified and frightened, and supposed they had seen a spirit.
38 And He said to them, "Why are you troubled? And why do doubts arise in your hearts?
39 "Behold My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself. Handle Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see I have."
40 When He had said this, He showed them His hands and His feet.
41 But while they still did not believe for joy, and marveled, He said to them, "Have you any food here?"
(NKJ)

Read verse 16.

 

[Squeaky]

Read verse 16.

I said
Now your proving my point.

Luke 24:16
16 But their eyes were restrained, so that they did not know Him.
(NKJ)

 

[Jacob]

I said
Now your proving my point.

Luke 24:16
16 But their eyes were restrained, so that they did not know Him.
(NKJ)

It sounds like they were prevented initially from recognizing Him, not that in the end they still did not recognize Him.

 

[Squeaky]

It sounds like they were prevented initially from recognizing Him, not that in the end they still did not recognize Him.

I said
That's right.

 

[Jacob]

I said
That's right.

This does not speak to or comment on His body, and we know in (or following) His resurrection He was seen to have the wounds inflicted upon Him in His death.

 

[Squeaky]

This does not speak to or comment on His body, and we know in (or following) His resurrection He was seen to have the wounds inflicted upon Him in His death.

I said
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[Jacob]

I said
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Jesus died for you and rose from the dead on your behalf. His wounds from His death by crucifixion were visible to those He appeared to.

 

[Squeaky]

Jesus died for you and rose from the dead on your behalf. His wounds from His death by crucifixion were visible to those He appeared to.

I said
ok

 

[Jacob]

I said
ok

Do you believe this?

 

[Squeaky]

Do you believe this?

I said
He showed them.

 

[Jacob]

I said
He showed them.

Correct.

 

[Squeaky]

Correct.

I said
ok

 

[Jacob]

I said
ok

It is okay that He showed them.

 

[Squeaky]

It is okay that He showed them.

I said
It was necessary.

 

[Jacob]

I said
It was necessary.

He showed them as a man and resurrected, not "becoming a spirit" after His death.