Job said " I know that my redeemer liveth"

[beloved57]

Job 19:25

For I know that my redeemer liveth, and that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth:

Now who is Job speaking of ? Whose his redeemer that now liveth, and He shall stand at the latter day ? Its the Lord Jesus Christ, for Hes the redeemer of all Gods Elect from the beginning of the World, for we read in 1 Pet 1:18-20

18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;

19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:

20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,

You see Job had Faith in the Lamb that was to come in the latter day, in the last time. All the True Sons of God did, Abel by the sacrifice he offered before God Gen 4:4

4 And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. And the Lord had respect unto Abel and to his offering:

I believe Abel was a shepherd of Sheep, Lambs, and without doubt his offering was a lamb, and it was done in God given Faith Heb 11:4,

So the Old Testament Saints, Believers had God given Faith of the coming redeemer, the seed of woman, to put away their sins !

 

[beloved57]

John Gills comment on Job 19:25 which I find agreeable to the tenants of Faith:

For I know,.... The particle which is sometimes rendered by the copulative "and", by an adversative "but", and sometimes as a causal particle "for", should not be rendered here by either; but as an explanative, "to wit", or "namely", as it is by Noldius ; in connection with the preceding words; in which Job wishes some words of his were written in a book, or engrossed on sheets of lead, or were cut out on some rock, and particularly were engraved on his tombstone; "namely", these following, "I know that my Redeemer liveth", &c. and to this agrees Broughton, "how that my Redeemer liveth"; let these be the words written, engraved, and cut out there: by my Redeemer, he means not any mere man that should rise up and vindicate him; for the account of his then living, and of his standing on the earth in the latter day, will not agree with such an one; nor God the Father, to whom the character of a Redeemer is seldom or ever given, nor did he ever appear or stand on earth, nor was his shape seen at any time, John 5:37; but the Son of God, the Lord Jesus Christ, who is our "Goel", the word here used, our near kinsman, and so our Redeemer, to whom the right of redemption belonged; and who was spoken of by all the holy prophets, from the beginning of the world, as the Redeemer of his people, who should redeem them from all their sins; from the law, its curses and condemnation; from Satan, and his principalities and powers; from death and hell, and everlasting destruction; and that by giving himself a ransom for them; all which was known in the times of Job, Job 33:24; and known by him, who speaks of him as living; he then existed not only as a divine Person, as he did from all eternity, but in his office capacity as Mediator, and under the character of a Redeemer; for the virtue of his future redemption reached to all the ages before it, from the foundation of the world; besides, the epithet "living" points at him as the "living God", as he is, Hebrews 3:12; and so equal to the work of redemption, and able to redeem, and mighty to save; of whom it is said, not that he has lived, or shall live, but "liveth"; ever lives; and so an expression of the eternity of Christ, who is from everlasting to everlasting, the same today, yesterday, and for ever; and who, though he died in human nature, yet is alive, and lives for evermore; he has life in and of himself, as he is God over all blessed for ever; and has life in him for all his people, as Mediator; and is the author of spiritual life in them, and the donor of eternal life to them; and because he lives, they shall live also. Now Job had an interest in him as the living Redeemer, and knew he had, which is the greatest blessing that can be enjoyed; an interest in Christ is of infinitely more worth than the whole world, and the knowledge of it exceeds all others; this knowledge was not merely speculative, nor only approbational and fiducial, though such Job had, Job 13:15; but the knowledge of assurance of interest; to know Christ as a Redeemer of men, and not our Redeemer, is of no avail; the devils know him to be a Redeemer, but not theirs: men may have an interest in Christ, and as yet not know it; interest is before knowledge; it is neither knowledge nor faith that gives interest, but God of his grace gives both interest and knowledge: and such a knowledge as here expressed is a peculiar favour; it is owing to an understanding given to know him that is true, and that we are in him that is true; and to the spirit of wisdom and revelation, in the knowledge of Christ, and to the testimony which he bears; and such knowledge will support under the greatest afflictions and sorest trials; under the ill usage of friends, and the loss of nearest and dearest relations, and in the views of death and eternity; all which was Job's case:and that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth; appear in the world in human nature; be the seed of the woman, and born of one, be made flesh, and dwell among men, and converse with them, as Jesus did; who stood upon the land of Judea, and walked through Galilee, and went about doing good to the bodies and souls of men; and this was in the last days, and at the end of the world, Hebrews 1:1; as a pledge of this there were frequent appearances of the son of God in an human form to the patriarchs; nor need it seem strange that Job, though not an Israelite, had knowledge of the incarnation of Christ, when it is said to (z) be the opinion of the Indian Brahmans that God often appeared in the form and habit of some great men, and conversed among men; and that Wistnavius, whom, they say, is the second Person of the triune God, had already assumed a body nine times, and sometimes also an human one; and that the same will once more be made by him; and Confucius, the Chinese philosopher (a), left it in writing, that the Word would be made flesh, and foresaw the year when it would be: or, "he shall rise the last out of the earth" (b); and so it may respect his resurrection from the dead; he was brought to the dust of death, and was laid in the grave, and buried, in the earth, and was raised out of it; and whose resurrection is of the greatest moment and importance, the justification, regeneration, and resurrection of his people depending on it: but this is not to be understood as if he was the last that should rise from the dead; for he is the firstfruits of them that sleep, and the firstborn from the dead, the first that rose to an immortal life; but that he who, as to his divine nature, is the first and the last; or that, in his state of humiliation, is the last, the meanest, and most abject of men (c); or rather, who, as the public and federal head of his people, is "the last Adam", 1 Corinthians 15:45; and who did rise as such for their justification, which makes the article of his resurrection an unspeakable benefit: or, "he shall stand over the earth in the latter day" (d) in the last times of all, in the close of time, at the end of the world, at his appearing and kingdom, when he shall come to judge the quick and dead; those that will be alive, and those that will be raised from the dead, who will meet him in the air over the earth, and shall be for ever with him; and even then "he shall stand upon the earth"; for it is expressly said, that when he shall come, and all the saints with him, "his feet shall stand on the mount of Olives", Zechariah 14:4; or, "he shall stand against the earth at the latter days" (e); in the resurrection morn, and shall exercise his authority over it, and command the earth and sea to give up their dead; and when at his all commanding voice the dead shall come out of their graves, as Lazarus came out of his, he shall stand then upon the dust of the earth, and tread upon it as a triumphant Conqueror, having subdued all his enemies, and now the last enemy, death, is destroyed by the resurrection of the dead: what a glorious and enlarged view had Job of the blessed Redeemer!

 

[Truster]

QUOTE:
"John Gills comment on Job 19:25 which I find agreeable to the tenants of Faith:"

Tenants?

Tenets.

PS dogma would be more accurate and without spiritual context.

 

[Nanja]

Job 19:25

I know that my redeemer liveth, and that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth:

Now who is Job speaking of ? Whose his redeemer that now liveth, and He shall stand at the latter day ? Its the Lord Jesus Christ, for Hes the redeemer of all Gods Elect from the beginning of the World, for we read in 1 Pet 1:18-20

[FONT=&]18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;
[/FONT]
[FONT=&]19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
[/FONT]
[FONT=&]20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,

You see Job had Faith in the Lamb that was to come in the latter day, in the last time. All the True Sons of God did, Abel by the sacrifice he offered before God Gen 4:4

4 And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. And the Lord had respect unto Abel and to his offering:

I believe Abel was a shepherd of Sheep, Lambs, and without doubt his offering was a lamb, and it was done in God given Faith Heb 11:4,

So the Old Testament Saints, Believers had God given Faith of the coming redeemer, the seed of woman, to put away their sins ![/FONT]

Amen! The OT Saints were Christ's Sheep, and were redeemed by the Blood of the Lamb Rev. 13:8, their Surety and Saviour Heb. 7:22; Heb 13:20 before the world began, and it was revealed to them by God given Faith by the Spirit as it is to all NT Saints. And so also, I believe that Job's Hope, as well as all OT Saints, was in the resurrection of Christ from the dead Heb 13:20 just as David's was when he wrote under the inspiration of the Spirit this:

Ps. 16:8-10
8 I have set the LORD always before me: because he is at my right hand, I shall not be moved. 9 Therefore my heart is glad, and my glory rejoiceth: my flesh also shall rest in hope. 10 For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.

 

[beloved57]

Amen! The OT Saints were Christ's Sheep, and were redeemed by the Blood of the Lamb Rev. 13:8, their Surety and Saviour Heb. 7:22; Heb 13:20 before the world began, and it was revealed to them by God given Faith by the Spirit as it is to all NT Saints. And so also, I believe that Job's Hope, as well as all OT Saints, was in the resurrection of Christ from the dead Heb 13:20 just as David's was when he wrote under the inspiration of the Spirit this:

Ps. 16:8-10
8 I have set the LORD always before me: because he is at my right hand, I shall not be moved. 9 Therefore my heart is glad, and my glory rejoiceth: my flesh also shall rest in hope. 10 For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.

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[CherubRam]

Many times in the bible God (Yahwah) is called the redeemer.
Yahshua said:
Luke 12:5
But I will show you whom you should fear: Fear him who, after your body has been killed, has authority to throw you into (hell / Gehenna.) Yes, I tell you, fear him.

Gehenna is parabolic for destruction.

 

[Truster]

Many times in the bible God (Yahwah) is called the redeemer.
Yahshua said:
Luke 12:5
But I will show you whom you should fear: Fear him who, after your body has been killed, has authority to throw you into (hell / Gehenna.) Yes, I tell you, fear him.

Gehenna is parabolic for destruction.

Symbolic.

 

[CherubRam]

Symbolic.

Gehenna is not a symbol. Gehenna, (/ɡɪˈhɛnə/; גיא בן הינום‎ Ancient Greek: γέεννα), from the Hebrew Gehinnom (Rabbinical: גהנום‎/גהנם‎), is a small valley in Jerusalem and the Jewish and Christian analogue of hell. The terms are derived from a place outside ancient Jerusalem known in the Hebrew Bible as the Valley of the Son of Hinnom (Hebrew: גֵיא בֶן־הִנֹּם‎ or גיא בן-הינום‎, Gai Ben-Hinnom). The Valley of Hinnom is the modern name for the valley surrounding Jerusalem's Old City, including Mount Zion, from the west and south. It meets and merges with the Kidron Valley, the other principal valley around the Old City, near the southeastern corner of the city.

In the Hebrew Bible, Gehenna was initially where some of the kings of Judah sacrificed their children by fire.[1] Thereafter it was deemed to be cursed (Jer. 7:31, 19:2-6).[2]

In Jewish Rabbinic literature, and Christian and Islamic scripture, Gehenna is a destination of the wicked.[3] This is different from the more neutral Sheol/Hades, the abode of the dead, although the King James Version of the Bible usually translates both with the Anglo-Saxon word Hell.

In the King James Version of the Bible, the term appears 13 times in 11 different verses as "Valley of Hinnom", "Valley of the son of Hinnom" or "Valley of the children of Hinnom."

 

[beloved57]

Many times in the bible God (Yahwah) is called the redeemer.
Yahshua said:
Luke 12:5
But I will show you whom you should fear: Fear him who, after your body has been killed, has authority to throw you into (hell / Gehenna.) Yes, I tell you, fear him.

Gehenna is parabolic for destruction.

Evasion and Rabbit trail. The Father isn't prophesied to stand upon the Earth in the last days !

 

[oatmeal]

Job 19:25

[FONT=&]For [/FONT]I know that my redeemer liveth, and that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth:

Now who is Job speaking of ? Whose his redeemer that now liveth, and He shall stand at the latter day ? Its the Lord Jesus Christ, for Hes the redeemer of all Gods Elect from the beginning of the World, for we read in 1 Pet 1:18-20

[FONT=&]18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;
[/FONT]
[FONT=&]19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
[/FONT]
[FONT=&]20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,

You see Job had Faith in the Lamb that was to come in the latter day, in the last time. All the True Sons of God did, Abel by the sacrifice he offered before God Gen 4:4

4 And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. And the Lord had respect unto Abel and to his offering:

I believe Abel was a shepherd of Sheep, Lambs, and without doubt his offering was a lamb, and it was done in God given Faith Heb 11:4,

So the Old Testament Saints, Believers had God given Faith of the coming redeemer, the seed of woman, to put away their sins ![/FONT]

God is our redeemer who gave his only begotten son for us, thus redeeming us. God redeemed, paid the price for us by having Jesus Christ be the price God paid for us.

 

[beloved57]

God is our redeemer who gave his only begotten son for us, thus redeeming us. God redeemed, paid the price for us by having Jesus Christ be the price God paid for us.

Don't know what you are talking about. I don't believe in the god you believe in ir jesus you believe in.

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[CherubRam]

Evasion and Rabbit trail. The Father isn't prophesied to stand upon the Earth in the last days !

[FONT=&quot]Redeem[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Job 19:25[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]I know that my redeemer lives, and that in the end he will stand on the earth.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Ezekiel 20:35[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]I will bring you into the wilderness of the nations and there, face to face, I will execute judgment upon you.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Psalm 19:14[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]May these words of my mouth and this meditation of my heart be pleasing in your sight, Lord, my Rock and my Redeemer.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Psalm 49:7[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]No one can redeem the life of another or give to God a ransom for them—[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Psalm 49:15[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]But God will redeem me from the realm of the dead; he will surely take me to himself.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Psalm 74:2[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Remember the nation you purchased long ago, the people of your inheritance, whom you redeemed— Mount Zion, where you dwelt.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Psalm 77:15[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]With your mighty arm you redeemed your people, the descendants of Jacob and Joseph.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Psalm 78:35[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]They remembered that God was their Rock, that God Most High was their Redeemer.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Psalm 78:42[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]They did not remember his power— the day he redeemed them from the oppressor,[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Psalm 103:4[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]who redeems your life from the pit and crowns you with love and compassion,[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Psalm 119:134[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Redeem[/FONT][FONT=&quot] me from human oppression, that I may obey your precepts.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Psalm 119:154[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Defend my cause and redeem me; preserve my life according to your promise.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Psalm 130:8[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]He himself will redeem Israel from all their sins.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]

 

[CherubRam]

On Judgment Day Christ will be by the Fathers side.

 

[CherubRam]

Yahshua our Messiah is Yahwah's redemption. Do you understand?



Isaiah 43:11
I, even I, am (the Lord / Yahwah,) and apart from me there is no savior.

Hosea 13:4
“But I have been (the Lord / Yahwah) your God ever since you came out of Egypt. You shall acknowledge no God but me, no Savior except me.

 

[beloved57]

[FONT=&quot]Redeem[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Job 19:25[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]I know that my redeemer lives, and that in the end he will stand on the earth.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Ezekiel 20:35[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]I will bring you into the wilderness of the nations and there, face to face, I will execute judgment upon you.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Psalm 19:14[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]May these words of my mouth and this meditation of my heart be pleasing in your sight, Lord, my Rock and my Redeemer.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Psalm 49:7[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]No one can redeem the life of another or give to God a ransom for them—[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Psalm 49:15[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]But God will redeem me from the realm of the dead; he will surely take me to himself.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Psalm 74:2[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Remember the nation you purchased long ago, the people of your inheritance, whom you redeemed— Mount Zion, where you dwelt.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Psalm 77:15[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]With your mighty arm you redeemed your people, the descendants of Jacob and Joseph.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Psalm 78:35[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]They remembered that God was their Rock, that God Most High was their Redeemer.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Psalm 78:42[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]They did not remember his power— the day he redeemed them from the oppressor,[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Psalm 103:4[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]who redeems your life from the pit and crowns you with love and compassion,[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Psalm 119:134[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Redeem[/FONT][FONT=&quot] me from human oppression, that I may obey your precepts.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Psalm 119:154[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Defend my cause and redeem me; preserve my life according to your promise.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Psalm 130:8[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]He himself will redeem Israel from all their sins.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]

Rabbit trail!

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[oatmeal]

Don't know what you are talking about. I don't believe in the god you believe in ir jesus you believe in.

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Ok then