Jesus the Man Before John !
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Nanja
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Yes, that is apparent from viewing the negative and unlearned responses.
God reveals His Truth to His Elect: 2 Thes. 2:13-14. "Belief of the Truth"
is a promise only to the Elect in the New Birth. For Faith / Belief is a Gift
of the Holy Spirit: The result or evidence that one Has been given the Holy Spirit.
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Nanja
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TY for taking the time to present this excellent study; I needed that, and receive the truths therein!
The Lord Bless you! ☺
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beloved57
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May God continue to Bless you and cause you as He does myself to:
2 Pet 3:18
But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.
Nanja
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1Mind1Spirit
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Romans 5:14 KJVA
Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come .
Quantrill
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Yes, Adam was a figure of Christ who was to come later. All of which is described in Christ as the Last Adam and Second Man.
But, in reality, Jesus Christ was not the second man. Many were born between Adam and Christ. So why would God call Him the Second Man? And, why would God call Him the Last Adam?
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beloved57
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Not only was Christ Jesus the Man before John the Baptist Jn 1:30
This is he of whom I said, After me cometh a man which is preferred before me: for he was before me.
But He was the OT figure the Angel of the Lord as well as Michael the Great Prince Dan 12:1
And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
I also believe that the Angel here is Christ, Michael the Arch Angel Rev 10:1-6
And I saw another mighty angel come down from heaven, clothed with a cloud: and a rainbow was upon his head, and his face was as it were the sun, and his feet as pillars of fire: See Vision of Christ here Matt 17:2
2 And was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light.
2 And he had in his hand a little book open: and he set his right foot upon the sea, and his left foot on the earth,
3 And cried with a loud voice, as when a lion roareth: and when he had cried, seven thunders uttered their voices.
4 And when the seven thunders had uttered their voices, I was about to write: and I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Seal up those things which the seven thunders uttered, and write them not.
5 And the angel which I saw stand upon the sea and upon the earth lifted up his hand to heaven,
6 And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer:
I believe, the Lord Jesus Christ, Michael and the Angel of the Covenant are the Same Judges 2:1
And an angel of the Lord came up from Gilgal to Bochim, and said, I made you to go up out of Egypt, and have brought you unto the land which I sware unto your fathers; and I said, I will never break my covenant with you.
The Messenger of the Covenant Mal 3:1
Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the Lord of hosts.
I believe this Angel is Michael, Christ Gen 48:16
The Angel which redeemed me from all evil, bless the lads; and let my name be named on them, and the name of my fathers Abraham and Isaac; and let them grow into a multitude in the midst of the earth.
No ordinary Angel could do this, redeem a man from all Evil, Gill writes :
I believe Jacob had an Eye to the Death of the Messiah whom Paul writes Gal 1:4
4 Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father:
This is he of whom I said, After me cometh a man which is preferred before me: for he was before me.
But He was the OT figure the Angel of the Lord as well as Michael the Great Prince Dan 12:1
And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
I also believe that the Angel here is Christ, Michael the Arch Angel Rev 10:1-6
And I saw another mighty angel come down from heaven, clothed with a cloud: and a rainbow was upon his head, and his face was as it were the sun, and his feet as pillars of fire: See Vision of Christ here Matt 17:2
2 And was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light.
2 And he had in his hand a little book open: and he set his right foot upon the sea, and his left foot on the earth,
3 And cried with a loud voice, as when a lion roareth: and when he had cried, seven thunders uttered their voices.
4 And when the seven thunders had uttered their voices, I was about to write: and I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Seal up those things which the seven thunders uttered, and write them not.
5 And the angel which I saw stand upon the sea and upon the earth lifted up his hand to heaven,
6 And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer:
I believe, the Lord Jesus Christ, Michael and the Angel of the Covenant are the Same Judges 2:1
And an angel of the Lord came up from Gilgal to Bochim, and said, I made you to go up out of Egypt, and have brought you unto the land which I sware unto your fathers; and I said, I will never break my covenant with you.
The Messenger of the Covenant Mal 3:1
Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the Lord of hosts.
I believe this Angel is Michael, Christ Gen 48:16
The Angel which redeemed me from all evil, bless the lads; and let my name be named on them, and the name of my fathers Abraham and Isaac; and let them grow into a multitude in the midst of the earth.
No ordinary Angel could do this, redeem a man from all Evil, Gill writes :
I believe Jacob had an Eye to the Death of the Messiah whom Paul writes Gal 1:4
4 Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father:
Says who????
Before Jn 1:
2Sa 7:12 And when thy days be fulfilled, and thou shalt sleep with thy fathers, I will set up thy seed after thee, which shall proceed out of thy bowels, and I will establish his kingdom.
Jn 1:
Jesus and the NT writers almost always referred to prophets.
Which prophets you would say Jesus referred to in Jn1:1-3 if not to these?
Isa 55:11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.
Psa 33:6 By the word of the LORD were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth.
Psa 33:9 For he spake, and it was done; he commanded, and it stood fast.
It is confirmed in the NT:
Heb 11:3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word (rhema-never Jesus, always utterance) of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
The origin of Jesus is clearly stated here:
2Sa 7:12 And when thy days be fulfilled, and thou shalt sleep with thy fathers, I will set up thy seed after thee, which shall proceed out of thy bowels, and I will establish his kingdom.
Peter declares it fulfilled here:
Act 2:30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;
and Paul here:
Act 13:23 Of this man's seed hath God according to his promise raised unto Israel a Saviour, Jesus:
So where is your story coming from?
The Angel / messenger in Rev 10 is not the Eternal Son, but the personal messenger of the Eternal Son. The Angel of the Yah Veh or the Messenger of the Yah Veh.
Your fantasies are getting worse, but the more ridiculous they become the greater exposure you receive at the hand of Him who will not be mocked.
Your fantasies are getting worse, but the more ridiculous they become the greater exposure you receive at the hand of Him who will not be mocked.
beloved57
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See you at the Judgment !
I was waiting for that and being unable to prove me wrong you obliged.
You are confused about gospel/evangel and that confusion leads to your heresy regarding angel. They both, evangel and angel, have the same root meaning, but don't let this fact interfere with you stupid fictions.
beloved57
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Your not a believer in Christ, see you at the Judgment !
You are correct in what you say. I am in fact a truster in Messiah.
Your lack of understand between belief, faith and trust is yet again leading you into the realm of stupid remarks.
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