Jesus, the Law and the Holy Spirit

Robert Pate

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WHO IS JESUS CHRIST?

Jesus is the second person of the Godhead, 1 John 5:15. He was in heaven with God the Father before the foundation of the world. Jesus is the physical manifestation of the invisible God. The first born of every creature, Colossians 1:15. he participated in the creation of heaven and earth and by him there was nothing created that was not created and by him all things exist, Colossians 1:15, 16, 17. Paul wrote, "In him dwells all the fulness of the Godhead" Colossians 2:9. Jesus was as much God as he was man. Only God can turn water into wine. Only God can heal the sick. Only God can forgive sins. Only God can walk on water. Only God can raise the dead.

Jesus entered into the human race through the virgin Mary. The scripture says... "She was found with child of the HOLY SPIRIT" Matthew 1:18. Jesus came into the world as God's new Adam and our new humanity, Romans 5:19. His mission was to undo or destroy what the first Adam did. The first Adam brought sin and death upon us, Romans 5:12. The new Adam (Jesus) brings righteousness and eternal life, Romans 5:18.

Jesus was also God's Holy Law manifested in human flesh. Paul wrote, "But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested" Romans 3:21. Jesus was the law of God incarnate in human flesh. We might even say that Jesus was the epitome of God's Holy Law. He was the holy, righteous, sinless Son of God. Jesus was not only God with us, he was also God for us. All that Jesus was and all that Jesus did was for us. He is our great savior and representative.

WHY GOD GAVE THE LAW TO THE JEWS

There is only one law and it is the law of Moses. The law is far more than rules and commanments. The Law is the very nature and character of God. To keep the law you would have to be Christ. This is why Paul wrote, "For by the law is the knowledge of sin" Romans 3:20 This is why Paul wrote, "There is none righteous, no, not one" Romans 3:10 No one measures up to God's standards. The law was given to the Jews to keep them intack until Christ arrived, otherwise there probably would have been another Sodom and Gomorrah that would have perverted the line from which Christ would have come. After the arrival of Jesus the Jews were no longer required to live according to law. They were required to live by the Holy Spirit, Romans 7:6.

Anything in the Bible that tells us to do something or not to do something is Law. The law was given to the Jews as their keeper, just as the Holy Spirit is given to Christians as their keeper. Jesus took the law of Moses and elevated it, he did not change it as some believe. Not only did he elevate it, he spiritualized it. Now the law is not only written, it is spiritual, it searches the desires and the intent of the heart, Hebrews 4:12. To keep the spiritual law all of your thoughts would have to be pure and without sin.

The Pharisees took the Ten Commandments and the ordinances in the Old Testament and came up with over 600 laws and rules for holy living. They called it the Torah. The thought that by keeping the law they would be justified. Some of them even tithed down to the mint in their gardens, Matthew 23:23. Jesus rebuked them sharply and refered to them as snakes, hypocrites, blind guides, fools, etc.

God never intended for his people to live according to laws and rules, this is why Paul said, "The just shall live by faith" Romans 1:17 and not by rules, laws or religion. A good Son does not need instructions on how to please his Father. He knows what is right and what is wrong and he does not do anything that would not please his Father. Jesus said, "I always do those things that please him" John 8:29. Paul said that the law is for sinners, the lawless, the ungodly, the disobedient, murderers, etc, 1 Timothy 1:9, 10, 11. If anything there fits you, then the law is for you.

Paul said that the law made him want to sin, Romans 7:7-12. If you want to make people sin, then tell them not to sin? God told Adam and Eve not to eat of the tree in the midst of the garden. Before that they probably never even thought about the tree, but now God said don't even touch it. I would bet my last dollar that they both ran into the midst of the garden to take a look at it. Eve said that the tree was pleasant to the eyes. A tree that would make one wise and was good for food, Genesis 3:6.

THE WORK OF THE HOLY SPIRIT

The Holy Spirit convicts the Christian of sin and righteousness, John 16:8. If a Christian is living in sin the Holy Spirit will convict them of that and will hopefully bring them out of it. The purpose of the Holy Spirit is to make us witnesses for Christ and his Gospel. You cannot be an effective witness for Christ and his Gospel if you are not living the Christian life. There is no greater witness for Christ than the changed life. You cannot call yourself a Christian and continue to live like the devil. The Holy Spirit will never lead someone into sin. His purpose is to magnify Christ and his Gospel. It is NOT the work of the Holy Spirit to save us, that is Christ's work. The Holy Spirit is given to magnify the work of Christ and to make us witnesses for Christ and his Gospel, John 15:26.
 

Robert Pate

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What the Gospel is and what the Gospel is not.

The Gospel is about Jesus Christ. His life, His death, His resurrection, His position at the right hand of God.

The Gospel is not about us. We are the beneficiaries of the Gospel. We are the lost sinners and Jesus is our savior.

In the Gospel Jesus comes into the world to do for us that which we cannot do for ourselves because we are sinners. God does not accept the work or the obedience of sinners, Therefore if we are to be saved salvation must come to us totally and completely outside of ourselves.

It has in the person of Jesus Christ. Jesus, in our name and on our behalf offers to God the Father a life of perfect obedience to God's Holy Law, Romans 3:26. It is this life that was lived for our justification.

That was not enough. Something had to be done about our sins. "For he has made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be MADE the righteousness of God in him" 2 Corinthians 5:21.

We do not become righteous. We are MADE righteous by the doing and the dying of Jesus. Jesus as our representative has MADE us righteous and acceptable to God.

Because of the doing and the dying of Jesus we have been reconciled to God, 2 Corinthians 5:18, 19. God now sees us as perfect and complete in his Son Jesus Christ, Colossians 2:10.

In the judgment we will be found "In Christ". To not be found in Christ is to be lost.
 

OCTOBER23

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THERE ARE ONLY 2 GODS AS IN JOHN 1:1

YOU HAVE 9 YEARS TO WAIT TO SEE THEM IN 2024.

See you in the Kingdom :rapture:
 

CherubRam

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There are separate laws. Christ and the disciples preached the keeping of the commandments. The Old Covenant law of circumcision was put an end to, and for a time people were under grace during the transition.
 

Robert Pate

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There are separate laws. Christ and the disciples preached the keeping of the commandments. The Old Covenant law of circumcision was put an end to, and for a time people were under grace during the transition.


The commandments taught by Jesus is the law of Moses.

Jesus elevated the law of Moses and spiritualized it.

Jesus would read the law of Moses and then he would say, "But I say unto you" see Matthew 5:43, 44. He would then expand and elevate the law of Moses, but he didn't change it.
 

chair

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The Pharisees took the Ten Commandments and the ordinances in the Old Testament and came up with over 600 laws and rules for holy living.

The 613 laws are in the Old Testament. They are not made up by Pharisees, unless you are counting Moses as a Pharisee.

I won't bother with the rest of your post. I disagree with nearly everything there.
 

dreadknought

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WHO IS JESUS CHRIST?

Jesus is the second person of the Godhead, 1 John 5:15. He was in heaven with God the Father before the foundation of the world. Jesus is the physical manifestation of the invisible God. The first born of every creature, Colossians 1:15. he participated in the creation of heaven and earth and by him there was nothing created that was not created and by him all things exist, Colossians 1:15, 16, 17. Paul wrote, "In him dwells all the fulness of the Godhead" Colossians 2:9. Jesus was as much God as he was man. Only God can turn water into wine. Only God can heal the sick. Only God can forgive sins. Only God can walk on water. Only God can raise the dead.

Jesus entered into the human race through the virgin Mary. The scripture says... "She was found with child of the HOLY SPIRIT" Matthew 1:18. Jesus came into the world as God's new Adam and our new humanity, Romans 5:19. His mission was to undo or destroy what the first Adam did. The first Adam brought sin and death upon us, Romans 5:12. The new Adam (Jesus) brings righteousness and eternal life, Romans 5:18.

Jesus was also God's Holy Law manifested in human flesh. Paul wrote, "But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested" Romans 3:21. Jesus was the law of God incarnate in human flesh. We might even say that Jesus was the epitome of God's Holy Law. He was the holy, righteous, sinless Son of God. Jesus was not only God with us, he was also God for us. All that Jesus was and all that Jesus did was for us. He is our great savior and representative.

WHY GOD GAVE THE LAW TO THE JEWS

There is only one law and it is the law of Moses. The law is far more than rules and commanments. The Law is the very nature and character of God. To keep the law you would have to be Christ. This is why Paul wrote, "For by the law is the knowledge of sin" Romans 3:20 This is why Paul wrote, "There is none righteous, no, not one" Romans 3:10 No one measures up to God's standards. The law was given to the Jews to keep them intack until Christ arrived, otherwise there probably would have been another Sodom and Gomorrah that would have perverted the line from which Christ would have come. After the arrival of Jesus the Jews were no longer required to live according to law. They were required to live by the Holy Spirit, Romans 7:6.

Anything in the Bible that tells us to do something or not to do something is Law. The law was given to the Jews as their keeper, just as the Holy Spirit is given to Christians as their keeper. Jesus took the law of Moses and elevated it, he did not change it as some believe. Not only did he elevate it, he spiritualized it. Now the law is not only written, it is spiritual, it searches the desires and the intent of the heart, Hebrews 4:12. To keep the spiritual law all of your thoughts would have to be pure and without sin.

The Pharisees took the Ten Commandments and the ordinances in the Old Testament and came up with over 600 laws and rules for holy living. They called it the Torah. The thought that by keeping the law they would be justified. Some of them even tithed down to the mint in their gardens, Matthew 23:23. Jesus rebuked them sharply and refered to them as snakes, hypocrites, blind guides, fools, etc.

God never intended for his people to live according to laws and rules, this is why Paul said, "The just shall live by faith" Romans 1:17 and not by rules, laws or religion. A good Son does not need instructions on how to please his Father. He knows what is right and what is wrong and he does not do anything that would not please his Father. Jesus said, "I always do those things that please him" John 8:29. Paul said that the law is for sinners, the lawless, the ungodly, the disobedient, murderers, etc, 1 Timothy 1:9, 10, 11. If anything there fits you, then the law is for you.

Paul said that the law made him want to sin, Romans 7:7-12. If you want to make people sin, then tell them not to sin? God told Adam and Eve not to eat of the tree in the midst of the garden. Before that they probably never even thought about the tree, but now God said don't even touch it. I would bet my last dollar that they both ran into the midst of the garden to take a look at it. Eve said that the tree was pleasant to the eyes. A tree that would make one wise and was good for food, Genesis 3:6.

THE WORK OF THE HOLY SPIRIT

The Holy Spirit convicts the Christian of sin and righteousness, John 16:8. If a Christian is living in sin the Holy Spirit will convict them of that and will hopefully bring them out of it. The purpose of the Holy Spirit is to make us witnesses for Christ and his Gospel. You cannot be an effective witness for Christ and his Gospel if you are not living the Christian life. There is no greater witness for Christ than the changed life. You cannot call yourself a Christian and continue to live like the devil. The Holy Spirit will never lead someone into sin. His purpose is to magnify Christ and his Gospel. It is NOT the work of the Holy Spirit to save us, that is Christ's work. The Holy Spirit is given to magnify the work of Christ and to make us witnesses for Christ and his Gospel, John 15:26.
If a Christian is living in sin the Holy Spirit will convict them of that and will hopefully bring them out of it.
God can hopefully bring them out of it. :doh:
 

Robert Pate

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If a Christian is living in sin the Holy Spirit will convict them of that and will hopefully bring them out of it.
God can hopefully bring them out of it. :doh:


It is the Holy Spirit that works in the life of the believer, In the New Testament, God the Father remains in heaven.
 

Robert Pate

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The 613 laws are in the Old Testament. They are not made up by Pharisees, unless you are counting Moses as a Pharisee.

I won't bother with the rest of your post. I disagree with nearly everything there.

Of course you disagree with everything there.

If you didn't I would be concerned.
 
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