KEYPURR! LISTEN TO YOURSELF!
You are claiming that the scripture verses I am quoting are not valid! YOU ARE SAYING SCRIPTURE IS NOT VALID!
If you don't like where I copy and paste scripture from, Keypurr, GO AND LOOK UP THE VERSES YOURSELF, AND COMPARE THEM TO WHAT I AM QUOTING!
THEN AND ONLY THEN WILL YOU BE ABLE TO SAY, IF WHAT IS QUOTED IS NOT ACCURATE, THAT IT ISN'T ACCURATE!
Keypurr, I'm not going to play games with you because you don't like where I quote the Bible from. If you don't like it, SHOW ME WHERE THE VERSES I QUOTE ARE WRONG, AND THEN SHOW ME THE CORRECT TRANSLATION. Otherwise, do not bring up this matter again.
So you, a man, said that what the church, an authority instituted by God, is teaching is wrong, so you left and didn't find a different church to go to?
There's your problem, Keypurr. You abandoned the church based on your own understanding of the Bible. That makes you apostate, not the church.
No, he isn't.
Then according to your own beliefs, you yourself SHOULD NOT worship Jesus Christ. For if he is a creation, he is not worthy of worship. Yet you claim you DO worship Him, and by your own beliefs, you are sinning.
That's a red herring. It has nothing to do with what I asked. Keypurr, here is what I said:
KEYPURR: When you go into the bathroom and see yourself in the mirror,
as far as the physical universe is concerned, is the mirror your express image, down to the last freckle and white hair?
KEYPURR: When someone looks at your mirror and they say, "You look good today," are they talking to the mirror image? Or are they talking to you? If to you, how do they know you look good?
Please answer these questions.
He reflected the person of God because He IS GOD! Anyone can parrot someone else, Keypurr. That doesn't make them who they parrot. Also, Jesus DID NOT say, "He who has heard Me has heard the Father." He said, "He who has
seen me."
Jesus the Son is the exact image of God the Father.
Keypurr, who is this chapter about:
Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, and Timothy our brother,To the saints and faithful brethren in Christ who are in Colosse: Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.We give thanks to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, praying always for you,since we heard of your faith in Christ Jesus and of your love for all the saints;because of the hope which is laid up for you in heaven, of which you heard before in the word of the truth of the gospel,which has come to you, as it has also in all the world, and is bringing forth fruit, as it is also among you since the day you heard and knew the grace of God in truth;as you also learned from Epaphras, our dear fellow servant, who is a faithful minister of Christ on your behalf,who also declared to us your love in the Spirit.For this reason we also, since the day we heard it, do not cease to pray for you, and to ask that you may be filled with the knowledge of His will in all wisdom and spiritual understanding;that you may walk worthy of the Lord, fully pleasing Him, being fruitful in every good work and increasing in the knowledge of God;strengthened with all might, according to His glorious power, for all patience and longsuffering with joy;giving thanks to the Father who has qualified us to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in the light.He has delivered us from the power of darkness and conveyed us into the kingdom of the Son of His love,in whom we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins.He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him.And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist.And He is the head of the body, the church, who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in all things He may have the preeminence.For it pleased the Father that in Him all the fullness should dwell,and by Him to reconcile all things to Himself, by Him, whether things on earth or things in heaven, having made peace through the blood of His cross.And you, who once were alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now He has reconciledin the body of His flesh through death, to present you holy, and blameless, and above reproach in His sight—if indeed you continue in the faith, grounded and steadfast, and are not moved away from the hope of the gospel which you heard, which was preached to every creature under heaven, of which I, Paul, became a minister.I now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up in my flesh what is lacking in the afflictions of Christ, for the sake of His body, which is the church,of which I became a minister according to the stewardship from God which was given to me for you, to fulfill the word of God,the mystery which has been hidden from ages and from generations, but now has been revealed to His saints.To them God willed to make known what are the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles: which is Christ in you, the hope of glory.Him we preach, warning every man and teaching every man in all wisdom, that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus.To this end I also labor, striving according to His working which works in me mightily. - Colossians 1:1-29
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Colossians1:1-29&version=NKJV
If you say anything other than God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ, please explain why you think that this chapter is about more than them.
No, God created all things through God the Son Son, Jesus Christ, who, at the time, had not been given the name "Jesus Christ," because he had not been sent to dwell on the earth yet.
Where in the Bible does it say that the Son was created? Please provide the exact verse, with book name and chapter and verse numbers.
In any case, thank you for completely ignoring my point. Please go read it again, and respond accordingly.