John 17:3 "And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent."
The only true God sent Jesus, NOT is Jesus. You are lost.
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John 17:3 "And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent."
The only true God sent Jesus, NOT is Jesus. You are lost.
John 10:37-38 Modern English Version (MEV)
37 If I am not doing the works of My Father, do not believe Me.
38 But if I do them, though you do not believe Me, believe the works, that you may know and believe that the Father is in Me, and I in Him.”
Based on my study of the New Testament, I have come to conclude that Jesus did not see himself as divine. He once remarked "Why do you call me good? Only God is good."
And there are many other instances that show what Jesus thought his relationship to God meant.
But there are other valid traditions (such as the Gospel of John and found in other places) that Jesus was God and had, in fact, existed before the world was created.
Instead of trying to tie both traditions into a man-made "pretzel knot" I think believers need to get serious.
Because contradictory theologies and verses are actually IN the Bible, we need to face them honestly and take them seriously.
The text is a blend of remembered history, oral tradition, legend, myth and metaphor. And it was written by inspired men who wrote their accounts long after Jesus died.
...This is a disruptive point to most traditional believers. It may even strike many as blasphemous. I am only sharing some information, beliefs and opinions. I am not trying to make you wrong or assert that I know I am right.
I don't.
I want you to read my posts, or not. Make your own best choice and don't take my word (or anyone else's) for anything.
And there are many other instances that show what Jesus thought his relationship to God meant.
But there are other valid traditions (such as the Gospel of John and found in other places) that Jesus was God and had, in fact, existed before the world was created.
Instead of trying to tie both traditions into a man-made "pretzel knot" I think believers need to get serious.
Because contradictory theologies and verses are actually IN the Bible, we need to face them honestly and take them seriously.
The text is a blend of remembered history, oral tradition, legend, myth and metaphor. And it was written by inspired men who wrote their accounts long after Jesus died.
...This is a disruptive point to most traditional believers. It may even strike many as blasphemous. I am only sharing some information, beliefs and opinions. I am not trying to make you wrong or assert that I know I am right.
I don't.
I want you to read my posts, or not. Make your own best choice and don't take my word (or anyone else's) for anything.
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achduke
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I do not understand why people do believe Jesus himself and instead try to put God in a box by defining who God is or what he consists of. Did God not tell us he is spirit? Did Christ and the apostles not witness that Jesus is a man?
Jesus said he is a temple. Spirit dwells INSIDE of temple. We are temples. God said he would DWELLS with us. Man is meant to be the temple of God.
It was Christ Himself who created ALL that is.
Good post
Yes Sir;
John 1:10 Modern English Version (MEV)
10 He was in the world, and the world was created through Him, yet the world did not know Him.
So, are you implying that Christ was a mere man?
achduke
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Nope but he was a man.
It is you who is mixed up.
I agree. We are finite and God is infinite. Jews did not utter the name of God because they knew he was beyond human language to describe. Case closed.
Since Jesus was not made out of stone and had a front entryway, I see these statements as faith claims and metaphors. They are not literally true but they point to a profound and fundamental truth.
So, you reject that He was, God in the flesh?
achduke
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I do not. He was God in the flesh. The Father is in him.
So, are you saying that Jesus and all other men are the same?
So, you believe Christ was God in the flesh?
To me being a Christian is seeing the ultimate disclosure of God in Jesus.
He was a man: statement of FACT
He was God, Son of God, Prince of Peace, Messiah, etc: statements of FAITH.
Christianity means to me the act of seeing God in one Jesus of Nazareth.
achduke
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No. Christ is the only son of God and many other things.