JESUS: God's Predestinated Savior of the World

Robert Pate

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Before the foundation of the world God knew that fallen man would need a savior. "The Lamb that was slain from the foundation of the world" Revelation 13:8 was part of God's redemptive plan from eternity past. God does nothing outside of his Son Jesus Christ when it comes to the salvation of fallen man, Colossians 1:14-19.

Jesus comes into the world as God's new Adam, Romans 5:18, 19. and our new humanity, 2 Corinthians 5:17. His mission as our representative was to perfect our humanity and take it back to heaven. Our salvation is in a very safe place at the right hand of God, Hebrews 1:3.

Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God" Hebrews 12:2.

Jesus acceptance into heaven is our acceptance. Our humanity was constituted in him. "He has made us accepted in the beloved" (Jesus) Ephesians 1:6. In our name and on our behalf Jesus has fulfilled every jot and tittle of the law, Matthew 5:18. And after he fulfilled it, he abolished it, Ephesians 2:15. Where there is no law there is no sin or judgment, Romans 4:15. In the judgment we will stand before God's Holy Court as perfect and complete in Christ, Colossians 2:10.

In the Gospel Jesus redeems us from the curse of the law, Galatians 3:13 and becomes sin for us, who knew no sin, 2 Corinthians 5:21. The law has been fulfilled and our sins and the sins of the whole world have been atoned for, 1 John 2:2. This is how Jesus has reconciled us and the world unto God, 2 Corinthians 5:18, 19. When God looks at us and the world all that he can see is his Son Jesus Christ, Colossians 3:3.

Salvation has been provided for EVERYONE, Hebrews 2:9. No one needs to be predestinated, no one needs to join the oppressive Catholic church, No one needs a religion of any kind. This is why Paul said, "The Just Shall Live By Faith" Romans 1:17. The reason that we are to live by faith is because the work of salvation has already been done. We now rest in Christ, Hebrews 4:10.
 

beloved57

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Before the foundation of the world God knew that fallen man would need a savior. "The Lamb that was slain from the foundation of the world" Revelation 13:8 was part of God's redemptive plan from eternity past. God does nothing outside of his Son Jesus Christ when it comes to the salvation of fallen man, Colossians 1:14-19.

Jesus comes into the world as God's new Adam, Romans 5:18, 19. and our new humanity, 2 Corinthians 5:17. His mission as our representative was to perfect our humanity and take it back to heaven. Our salvation is in a very safe place at the right hand of God, Hebrews 1:3.

Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God" Hebrews 12:2.

Jesus acceptance into heaven is our acceptance. Our humanity was constituted in him. "He has made us accepted in the beloved" (Jesus) Ephesians 1:6. In our name and on our behalf Jesus has fulfilled every jot and tittle of the law, Matthew 5:18. And after he fulfilled it, he abolished it, Ephesians 2:15. Where there is no law there is no sin or judgment, Romans 4:15. In the judgment we will stand before God's Holy Court as perfect and complete in Christ, Colossians 2:10.

In the Gospel Jesus redeems us from the curse of the law, Galatians 3:13 and becomes sin for us, who knew no sin, 2 Corinthians 5:21. The law has been fulfilled and our sins and the sins of the whole world have been atoned for, 1 John 2:2. This is how Jesus has reconciled us and the world unto God, 2 Corinthians 5:18, 19. When God looks at us and the world all that he can see is his Son Jesus Christ, Colossians 3:3.

Salvation has been provided for EVERYONE, Hebrews 2:9. No one needs to be predestinated, no one needs to join the oppressive Catholic church, No one needs a religion of any kind. This is why Paul said, "The Just Shall Live By Faith" Romans 1:17. The reason that we are to live by faith is because the work of salvation has already been done. We now rest in Christ, Hebrews 4:10.

You deny the Saving efficacy of Christ death,make it of non effect.You teach that sinners Christ died for are going to perish in their sins anyways!
 

Robert Pate

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You deny the Saving efficacy of Christ death,make it of non effect.You teach that sinners Christ died for are going to perish in their sins anyways!

The scriptures plainly teach that Jesus has atoned for the sins of the whole world, 1 John 2:2.

This means that now... "Whosoever that shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved" Romans 10:13.

Your Calvinist doctrine is anti-Gospel, anti-faith and anti-Christ. More than likely you will perish in your sins.
 

beloved57

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The scriptures plainly teach that Jesus has atoned for the sins of the whole world, 1 John 2:2.

This means that now... "Whosoever that shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved" Romans 10:13.

Your Calvinist doctrine is anti-Gospel, anti-faith and anti-Christ. More than likely you will perish in your sins.

You teach that those Christ died for end up in hell anyways, saying His death was ineffectual !
 

Nanja

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You deny the Saving efficacy of Christ death,make it of non effect.You teach that sinners Christ died for are going to perish in their sins anyways!


Exactly! Pate's false freewill belief system makes God unjust by insisting Christ died for all mankind,
but yet many that He died for end up going into the lake of fire Mat. 25:41 !

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beloved57

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Exactly! Pate's false freewill belief system makes God unjust by insisting Christ died for all mankind,
but yet many that He died for end up going into the lake of fire Mat. 25:41 !

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Yes, that saying Christ death doesnt save !
 

Robert Pate

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Exactly! Pate's false freewill belief system makes God unjust by insisting Christ died for all mankind,
but yet many that He died for end up going into the lake of fire Mat. 25:41 !

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I didn't say that Jesus died for all of mankind. I was just quoting Jesus and John.

Jesus said that... "God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in him should not perish, but have everlasting life" John 3:16.

And then John said... "And he is a propitiation for our sins,: and not ours only, but for the sins of THE WHOLE WORLD" 1 John 2:2.

Do you believe that Jesus and John are liars?
 

beloved57

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I didn't say that Jesus died for all of mankind. I was just quoting Jesus and John.

Jesus said that... "God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in him should not perish, but have everlasting life" John 3:16.

And then John said... "And he is a propitiation for our sins,: and not ours only, but for the sins of THE WHOLE WORLD" 1 John 2:2.

Do you believe that Jesus and John are liars?

You teach that their are people Christ died for who will perish in their sins dont you ?
 

jamie

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This means that now... "Whosoever that shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved" Romans 10:13.

Jesus is written about in the Qur'an, are you saying Muslims are saved?

Or is beloved57 right about you believing most people will perish?
 

Nanja

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I didn't say that Jesus died for all of mankind. I was just quoting Jesus and John.

Jesus said that... "God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in him should not perish, but have everlasting life" John 3:16.

And then John said... "And he is a propitiation for our sins,: and not ours only, but for the sins of THE WHOLE WORLD" 1 John 2:2.

Do you believe that Jesus and John are liars?


It's the World of the People Christ came to Save Mat. 1:21, https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/Lexicon/Lexicon.cfm?strongs=G2889&t=KJV, an aggregate collection of particulars: Those Chosen in Union with Christ before the foundation of the world to have forgiveness / remission of sins Eph. 1:4-7, for whom Christ was their Surety in the Everlasting Covenant of Grace Heb. 7:22, 13:20!

The reason why you can't comprehend the Truth is because you have been intentionally blinded to it 2 Cor. 4:3-4!

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Robert Pate

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Yes Brother, He is in the majority.

For only an Elect remnant shall be Saved Rom. 11:5!

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The election of grace concerns those that have heard the Gospel and believe it, just like the 8,000 Jews that heard Peter's Gospel on the day of Pentecost. The heard, they believed and they were saved, Acts 2:41 also Acts 4:4.

"So then faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God" Romans 10:17. (which is the Gospel).

If you want to become one of the elect, you will have to hear and believe the Gospel.
 

beloved57

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The election of grace concerns those that have heard the Gospel and believe it, just like the 8,000 Jews that heard Peter's Gospel on the day of Pentecost. The heard, they believed and they were saved, Acts 2:41 also Acts 4:4.

"So then faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God" Romans 10:17. (which is the Gospel).

If you want to become one of the elect, you will have to hear and believe the Gospel.

False and invalid comments not found in scripture!
 

Robert Pate

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False and invalid comments not found in scripture!

Bunches and bunches of scripture that teach that Jesus has provided salvation for everyone, Hebrews 2:9. And that he is the savior of the whole world.

But you don't believe the word of God, instead you would rather believe the words of a heretic. It appears that you are determined to go to hell.
 

Robert Pate

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Jesus is written about in the Qur'an, are you saying Muslims are saved?

Or is beloved57 right about you believing most people will perish?

"Few there be that find it" Matthew 7:14.

Few there be that find what? Few there be that find Christ and his Gospel.
 

beameup

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"whosoever believes in him should not perish, but have everlasting life" - John 3:16b
"belief" = eternal life
"unbelief" = eternal wrath

If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us. - 1 John 1:8
 

beloved57

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Bunches and bunches of scripture that teach that Jesus has provided salvation for everyone, Hebrews 2:9. And that he is the savior of the whole world.

But you don't believe the word of God, instead you would rather believe the words of a heretic. It appears that you are determined to go to hell.

Scripture is fine, your personal comments are invalid.
 
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