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WatchmanOnTheWall
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Trump is playing "Russian Roulette" with American lives - past Presidents didn't relocate the Embassy to Jerusalem for a reason, they didn't want to put the lives of US citizens around the world needlessly at risk!Three Days Of Rage -
Despite all his rhetoric to the contrary, "The Donald" really doesn't care about American lives - provoking a major incident with Muslim extremists would be a price he'd gladly pay to insulate his Administration from public criticism and the Mueller investigation!
genuineoriginal
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Trump is playing "Russian Roulette" with American lives - past Presidents didn't relocate the Embassy to Jerusalem for a reason, they didn't want to put the lives of US citizens around the world needlessly at risk!
Despite all his rhetoric to the contrary, "The Donald" really doesn't care about American lives - provoking a major incident with Muslim extremists would be a price he'd gladly pay to insulate his Administration from public criticism and the Mueller investigation!
So says another Muslim terrorist.
This has to be one of the most ironic posts I have read in a long time. It gave me quite a belly laugh.
The militant Islamists absolutely hate homosexuality, women's lib, transgenderism, all adultery, fornication, etc... and these things are the major cause of the attacks against the West. They hate what they see. They want to destroy any civilization based upon this type of immorality. And you think Trump giving official recognition to a legitimate government's capital is putting people's lives at risk.... Sorry, it's your own side's political agendas and so-called morality that radical Muslims really hate. They throw homosexuals and lesbians off of rooftops or burn them to death, flog or stone adulterers, cut off the hands of thieves, kill girls and women who wear suggestive clothing, etc.... Your side's agendas are their reason for hating.
Why would Americans be at risk?
Trump is playing "Russian Roulette" with American lives - past Presidents didn't relocate the Embassy to Jerusalem for a reason, they didn't want to put the lives of US citizens around the world needlessly at risk!
At risk by whom?
A bunch of goats?
Despite your rhetoric, yes he does.
Much more than you little coward.
Who gives a hoot if those barbaric goats don't like it.
It's not their decision to make.
Why would you want to cower to people like that????
Are you a man or a mouse? Squeak up.
Is point is to find blasphemous cartoons depicting Trump as Christ and GOD.
You can tell right away Jgarden has no respect for Christ and GOD.
And completely off topic of the thread subject.
drbrumley
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Excerpts from Tillerson, Mattis Warned Trump Against Embassy Move
By Mark Baker
The American Conservative
Domestically, it would seem Trump has little to worry about. The Democrats have spent the last 70 years (since 1948), fawning over Israel and defending it, while the Republicans’ Christian Evangelical base is in full-throated support of the embassy move. Furthermore, the GOP has been desperate to break into what was once a Democrat-only monopoly on Jewish-American political funding—and Jewish votes. In this sense, Mr. Trump’s Jerusalem announcement can be seen as a kind of coming out party—a celebration that the monopoly has been broken, that the Republicans have arrived. Then too, the bedrock of progressivism of American Jews (who supported any number of progressive movements over the last decades), has been overawed by concern that Israel can best be defended by backing pro-military conservative interventionists.
And so it is that President Trump’s Jerusalem announcement might well be seen as a significant and decisive victory—for Israel, for the Republican Party, and for those Jewish Americans who have had to choose between their progressive ideals and their support for a nation that is anything but. The result is stark, discomforting. It may be that the controversy will fade, that the Arab world will remain quiet, that the Trump administration will use the Jerusalem decision as a springboard to launch a creative and fair resolution of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. That Jared Kushner will succeed where George Mitchell did not. But that doesn’t seem likely.
Pay attention: This is what it feels like to live in a nation whose moment has passed.
By Mark Baker
The American Conservative
Domestically, it would seem Trump has little to worry about. The Democrats have spent the last 70 years (since 1948), fawning over Israel and defending it, while the Republicans’ Christian Evangelical base is in full-throated support of the embassy move. Furthermore, the GOP has been desperate to break into what was once a Democrat-only monopoly on Jewish-American political funding—and Jewish votes. In this sense, Mr. Trump’s Jerusalem announcement can be seen as a kind of coming out party—a celebration that the monopoly has been broken, that the Republicans have arrived. Then too, the bedrock of progressivism of American Jews (who supported any number of progressive movements over the last decades), has been overawed by concern that Israel can best be defended by backing pro-military conservative interventionists.
And so it is that President Trump’s Jerusalem announcement might well be seen as a significant and decisive victory—for Israel, for the Republican Party, and for those Jewish Americans who have had to choose between their progressive ideals and their support for a nation that is anything but. The result is stark, discomforting. It may be that the controversy will fade, that the Arab world will remain quiet, that the Trump administration will use the Jerusalem decision as a springboard to launch a creative and fair resolution of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. That Jared Kushner will succeed where George Mitchell did not. But that doesn’t seem likely.
Pay attention: This is what it feels like to live in a nation whose moment has passed.
OK, Neville.
drbrumley
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:rotfl: Neville he says....
I don't support this decision but it feels like this may be getting a worse reaction that required. Partially because of timing. Rumors came out ahead of time so some of it was left to speculation and people started getting upset already. And partially because I think Trump is given no leeway. He has no goodwill to work with.
The timing is strange considering Kushner is supposed to be working on a deal. A common theme seems to be that it would have made more sense to package this with announcing a peace plan that has give and take for both sides. But a standalone move like this is easier to criticize and it's easier to think Trump is catering to Israel at the expense of Palestinians.
Trump said that this had to be done, but I fail to see any reason why. What was wrong with the status quo. It seems like this is mostly about trying to fulfill a campaign promise and making people happy domestically. It's another bone to evangelicals.
He cited the past failures on the issue and that continuing on the same path won't make anything better, but it also wouldn't make it worse. This could make it worse.
Which friends, partners, and allies? :idunno: Were they all Israelis?
The timing is strange considering Kushner is supposed to be working on a deal. A common theme seems to be that it would have made more sense to package this with announcing a peace plan that has give and take for both sides. But a standalone move like this is easier to criticize and it's easier to think Trump is catering to Israel at the expense of Palestinians.
Trump said that this had to be done, but I fail to see any reason why. What was wrong with the status quo. It seems like this is mostly about trying to fulfill a campaign promise and making people happy domestically. It's another bone to evangelicals.
He cited the past failures on the issue and that continuing on the same path won't make anything better, but it also wouldn't make it worse. This could make it worse.
| “We have consulted with many friends, partners, and allies in advance of the President making his decision,” Tillerson said in a statement. “We firmly believe there is an opportunity for a lasting peace.” |
Which friends, partners, and allies? :idunno: Were they all Israelis?
Yup. You advise appeasement, just like Neville, as a way to peace. It has never worked before and will not work this time either with a group of people dedicated to the destruction of an entire nation and people. If you think it will, well, continue sticking your head in the sand, Neville.
drbrumley
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Appease who exactly?
I'm going to give you an excuse of not knowing me and what I stand for. You seem new and like to run your mouth. Israel has a right to exist and make its' capital anywhere within its' own borders. And it can fight its own battles.
The following quote is from the link you posted.
The US government has refused, up to now, to recognize Israel's right to move its capital to wherever it chooses. Why? To not anger the Palestinians and Arabs. What is that other than appeasement? Neville swore up and down that Britain should not anger Hitler by doing anything that Hitler didn't like and that the result of appeasing him would stop his aggression. The very article you linked to advocates exactly the same thing.
Since when have the Arabs or Palestinians ever shown that they will accept the state of Israel's right to exist? They never have and the rhetoric has just grown stronger over the years as they have been appeased time after time. The history of that region ever since the state of Israel was created shows this to be true. The only way Israel has ever achieved any form of peace or safety is through the use of arms. At the creation of Israel they offered Israeli citizenship and the lands the Palestinians owned to the Palestinians. Did the Palestinians accept that offer? Nope. They refused to be treated as equals by the Israeli's because they wanted the destruction of Israel, not its continued existence. That position has never changed.
Are you God? Read my heart now, tell me what i want the most in life...
drbrumley
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Um, it's an opinion. My opinion is we stay out of it.....NOT OUR FIGHT! If them two numbskulls want to destroy one another, that's on them.
Oh wait, next your going to say we need to be the world's policeman.
Isnt it the right thing to do then, acknowledging a countries choice of capitol? We didnt choose it, they did.
drbrumley
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Sure it is right.....of which I don't really object. Israel can have their 1/3rd of it as they were supposed to. But that is not what is happening.
Well yes, that is what is happening, he acknowledge jerusalem as their capital and instead of passing the buck like other presidents have he is actively attempting to follow through on the promise of moving our embassy to Jerusalem like promised.