"It is Finished and Jesus is Lord"

beloved57

beloved57

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Robert Pate said:
You, by your own free will have chosen to believe the doctrine of demons. You teach and believe terrible things about God and his Son Jesus Christ. You will not escape the wrath of God.
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So you continue to teach that sinners Christ died for are lost and hell bound, meaning His death did absolutely nothing to save them !
 
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Robert Pate

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beloved57 said:
So you continue to teach that sinners Christ died for are lost and hell bound, meaning His death did absolutely nothing to save them !
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The Bible is full of words like "believe" "faith". The Gospel calls for a response. If you don't respond with a heart full of love and gratitude for what Christ has done for you, you will never see heaven.
 
beloved57

beloved57

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Robert Pate said:
The Bible is full of words like "believe" "faith". The Gospel calls for a response. If you don't respond with a heart full of love and gratitude for what Christ has done for you, you will never see heaven.
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You teach that sinners Christ shed His blood for are still lost. That's an denial of the Saving Efficacy of His Blood, no way around it !
 
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The "Historical Gospel" of Jesus Christ is the most significant event in the history of the world. Just before Jesus died on the cross he said, "It is finished" John 19:30. What did Jesus mean when he said that? What Jesus meant is that all of the requirements for the salvation of fallen man had been met. What were the requirements that were required for the salvation of fallen man? God requires,

1. A life of perfect obedience according to God's Holy Law.

2. A perfect atonement for the sins of man and for the whole world.

While Jesus was dying on the cross, God tore the veil that covered the "Holy of Holies" on the Jewish temple, from the top to the bottom, Matthew 27:51. This signified the end of the Old Covenant, the law and the Jewish religion. Jesus had victoriously met all of God's requirements and conditions for the salvation of fallen man and in doing so reconciled fallen man and the world unto God.

"And all things are of God, who has reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ and has given unto us the ministry of reconciliation (which is the Gospel) 2 Corinthians 5:18.

"To wit that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them and has committed unto us (Christians) the ministry of reconciliation" (which is the Gospel) 2 Corinthians 5:19.

Every jot and tittle of God's Holy Law has been fulfilled and met, Matthew 5:18. Every sin that had ever been committed or will be committed has been atoned for, 1 John 2:2. Because of the victorious work of Jesus on behalf of fallen man, God has made Jesus both Lord and Christ, Acts 2:36 and has seated Jesus at his own right hand, which is a place of honor and respect, Hebrews 1:3.

"It is finished and Jesus is Lord" Because all of the work of salvation has been accomplished by Jesus Christ, there is nothing left for fallen man to do, other than to live by faith in Christ and his Gospel, Romans 1:17. We who believe this Gospel have entered into God's rest.

"For he that has entered into his rest, he also has ceased from his own works (religion) as God did from his" Hebrews 4:10.

Jesus is God's justifier, sanctifier and redeemer, 1 Corinthians 1:30. This is why Paul could say, "And you are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power" Colossians 2:10.
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All the Old Testament was about Jesus. All the Law and the Prophets were about Jesus. Jesus came and fulfilled everything in the Old Testament. The Old Testament were prophecies, and the New Testament are prophecies revealed. Jesus came to give us the rules and guidelines to enter the New Covenant, and then he shed his blood on the cross for the New Covenant. He is the Lamb of God. All the Old Testament purification/ceremonial works were about Jesus, the Lamb of God.
 
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Robert Pate

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God's Truth said:
All the Old Testament was about Jesus. All the Law and the Prophets were about Jesus. Jesus came and fulfilled everything in the Old Testament. The Old Testament were prophecies, and the New Testament are prophecies revealed. Jesus came to give us the rules and guidelines to enter the New Covenant, and then he shed his blood on the cross for the New Covenant. He is the Lamb of God. All the Old Testament purification/ceremonial works were about Jesus, the Lamb of God.
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Your doctrine is not correct.

Jesus came to fulfill every jot and tittle of the law, Matthew 5:18, so that you would not be condemned by it, Colossians 2:14. To be under the law is to be judged by the law. Do you want to be judged by the law?
 
beloved57

beloved57

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Robert Pate said:
Your doctrine is not correct.

Jesus came to fulfill every jot and tittle of the law, Matthew 5:18, so that you would not be condemned by it, Colossians 2:14. To be under the law is to be judged by the law. Do you want to be judged by the law?
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You teach law keeping salvation, salvation by the doing of man, thats all law salvation !
 
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Robert Pate said:
Your doctrine is not correct.

Jesus came to fulfill every jot and tittle of the law, Matthew 5:18, so that you would not be condemned by it, Colossians 2:14. To be under the law is to be judged by the law. Do you want to be judged by the law?
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Jesus did not fulfill so that you do not have to obey.

What don't you get about there being a NEW law?
 
beloved57

beloved57

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Jesus obeyed for the whole world, for those who were living when he came to earth, for those who lived and died before he came to earth, and for those yet to be born.

You limit Jesus and what he did, for when he died, he reconciled the world to God through him.
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You teach that sinners Christ died for are still lost. Those sinners Christ obeyed for are made righteous Rom 5:19!

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The whole world has ALREADY been reconciled unto God by Jesus Christ, 2 Corinthians 5:18,19.

Neither one of you can accept or believe that. All that God wants you to do is to accept his offer of reconciliation that has been provided by his Son Jesus Christ.
 
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The whole world has ALREADY been reconciled unto God by Jesus Christ, 2 Corinthians 5:18,19.

Neither one of you can accept or believe that. All that God wants you to do is to accept his offer of reconciliation that has been provided by his Son Jesus Christ.
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You do not understand that scripture. The whole world is reconciled to God through Jesus. That means all are held accountable to God through Jesus Christ.
We must individually be reconciled to God through Jesus, and that does not happen unless you come to God by repenting to Him through Jesus.
 
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