Israel shall be saved in the Lord with an everlasting salvation !

[beloved57]

Unbelief in what? Ridiculous explanations of ancient texts?

The scripture Ex 4:22

And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the Lord, Israel is my son, even my firstborn:

 

[jamie]

Israel is Israel and Judah is Judah.

We shouldn't confuse the two.

"And he blessed Joseph and said:
'God, before whom my fathers Abraham and Isaac walked,
The God who has fed me all my life long to this day,
The Angel who has redeemed me from all evil,
Bless the lads;
Let my name be named upon them,
And the name of my fathers Abraham and Isaac;
And let them grow into a multitude in the midst of the earth.'"
(Genesis 48:15-16)

Ephraim and Manasseh grew into a multitude.

Christ divorced Israel but never forgot Joseph.

 

[God's Truth]

All still over your head.

I, as others here do, recognize the distinctions which the Apostle Paul delineates.

You, on the other hand, blend all scripture together, disregard distinctions and shape a narrative by your made up paradigm.

What I said still stands and you did not repent so you still claim a Jesus with a limited of people in mind and unfinished work.

 

[steko]

What I said still stands and you did not repent so you still claim a Jesus with a limited of people in mind and unfinished work.

... which plainly demonstrates that you don't comprehend.

 

[God's Truth]

You don't know what the Lord meant when He said, "It is finished".

I know exactly what he means it is you who does not.

 

[steko]

I know exactly what he means it is you who does not.

Nuh uh.

 

[God's Truth]

... which plainly demonstrates that you don't comprehend.

Your reaction and non explanation prove you don't have one.

 

[God's Truth]

Nuh uh.

That is the equivalent of what you say all along, 'you are wrong', 'it's not about that', blah, blah, blah. You are mocking yourself. What kind of twisted thing is that? You mock yourself.

 

[Tambora]

Nope, Israel as Biblically defined are those people who descended from Jacob who GOD delivered from bondage in Egypt and their descendants and proselytes.



'All Israel' will be the believing remnant of ethnic Israel who recognize and receive their Messiah and His earthly Davidic Kingdom.

Right, it doesn't mean that every ethnic Israelite will be saved but only a believing remnant which will at that time comprise the nation of Israel.

The Church, the Body of Christ, is not Israel in any shape or form. To say so is a made up concept which is foreign to Scripture.

Yeppers.

 

[Tambora]

All still over your head.

I, as others here do, recognize the distinctions which the Apostle Paul delineates.

You, on the other hand, blend all scripture together, disregard distinctions and shape a narrative by your made up paradigm.

Yeppers.
It is not good to turn things that differ into things that are the same.
Recognizing the things that are similar and not recognize the things that differ is just poor Bible study and results in the heresy of replacement theology.

 

[Tambora]

Nuh uh.

Good post.

:chuckle:

 

[beloved57]

Yes, He does. He created a whole nation/goy/ethnos from Abraham's grandson, which He called His chosen/bachar/elect/eklektos.



Yes, it does.
The Lord Jesus says that He will send His angels and that they will gather that chosen ethnicity from the four winds at His second coming.

Deu 30:4 If any of thine be driven out unto the outmost parts of heaven, from thence will the LORD thy God gather thee, and from thence will he fetch thee:
Deu 30:5 And the LORD thy God will bring thee into the land which thy fathers possessed, and thou shalt possess it; and he will do thee good, and multiply thee above thy fathers.
Mat 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.



Christ's blood is the only blood that matters for salvation for both national Israel and the Body of Christ.




His own were of the nation of Israel.
The 'as many' were of the nation of Israel in the context of the verse.

That verse is not referring to anyone other than believers from the nation of Israel.

Rom 15:8 Now I say that Jesus Christ was a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made unto the fathers:

Abraham's natural seed according to the flesh arent the children of God nor heirs so Salvation isnt promised to them Rom 9:8

That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

 

[beloved57]

There is a noticeable difference between Israel and the Election according to Rom 11:7

What then? Israel[Abrahams natural seed] hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded

Now who is Israel in this verse ? Who are the Election in this verse ? Whats the difference ?

 

[Nanja]

There is a noticeable difference between Israel and the Election according to Rom 11:7

What then? Israel[Abrahams natural seed] hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded

Now who is Israel in this verse ? Who are the Election in this verse ? Whats the difference ?

Israel in Rom. 11:7 is simply referring to the ethnic jews of national Israel, Abraham's physical descendants; and which were never the Chosen People of God.

Now the Election in that same verse, is none other than God's Election of Grace Rom. 11:5, a Chosen Spiritual Nation Eph. 1:4, Abraham's Spiritual Seed, the Seed of Christ Gal. 3:16, 29 which were Freely Justified by His Grace Rom. 3:24.

 

[beloved57]

nanja

Israel in Rom. 11:7 is simply referring to the ethnic jews of national Israel, Abraham's physical descendants;

Correct !

and which were never the Chosen People of God.

Correct even though they were called nationally Matt 22:14

¹⁴ For many are called, but few are chosen. But I must emphasize the called here has nothing to do with salvation, but merely the corporate unity of the physical nation of Israel which would be kept in tact until the Messiah come !

Now the Election in that same verse, is none other than God's Election of Grace Rom. 11:5, a Chosen Spiritual Nation Eph. 1:4, Abraham's Spiritual Seed, the Seed of Christ Gal. 3:16, 29 which were Freely Justified by His Grace Rom. 3:24

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Yes which is comprised of both elect jews and gentiles which also is called Israel Rom 9:6

⁶ Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:

Gal 6:16

¹⁶ And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.

 

[Nanja]

nanja



Correct !

Correct even though they were called nationally Matt 22:14

Exactly.

¹⁴ For many are called, but few are chosen. But I must emphasize the called here has nothing to do with salvation, but merely the corporate unity of the physical nation of Israel which would be kept in tact until the Messiah come !

Agree.
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Yes which is comprised of both elect jews and gentiles which also is called Israel Rom 9:6

⁶ Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:

Gal 6:16

¹⁶ And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.

Amen, it's the World of the Israel of God, consisting of both jews and Gentiles, that God Loved John 3:16 and were Promised Salvation, and no others.

Is. 45:17 But Israel shall be saved in the LORD with an everlasting salvation: ye shall not be ashamed nor confounded world without end.

 

[beloved57]

Amen, it's the World of the Israel of God, consisting of both jews and Gentiles, that God Loved John 3:16 and were Promised Salvation, and no others.

Is. 45:17 But Israel shall be saved in the LORD with an everlasting salvation: ye shall not be ashamed nor confounded world without end.

Exactly !

 

[chair]

Israel in Rom. 11:7 is simply referring to the ethnic jews of national Israel, Abraham's physical descendants; and which were never the Chosen People of God.

What an odd thing to say. Have you ever read the Bible?

 

[Nanja]

What an odd thing to say. Have you ever read the Bible?

Have you ?


The Israel in Rom. 11:7, the physical ethnic jews of national Israel, Abraham's physical descendants; they think they are all God's Chosen or Elect People, but they aren't:

"Israel has not obtained that which he seeketh after [Righteousness before God].

"but the Election [God's Elect] hath obtained it".


How ? They obtained it by Faith in Christ: The Faith of God's Elect Titus 1:1.

Now the rest of National Israel, are not God's Chosen People.

So in Rom. 11:7, Paul distinguishes Israel [national] from the Chosen Election of Grace [God's Chosen People Eph. 1:4] which were Promised Salvation Is. 45:17 , which included only a tiny remnant of the ethnic jews Rom. 9:27; "and the rest were blinded" .

 

[God's Truth]

Have you ?


The Israel in Rom. 11:7, the physical ethnic jews of national Israel, Abraham's physical descendants; they think they are all God's Chosen or Elect People, but they aren't:

"Israel has not obtained that which he seeketh after [Righteousness before God].

"but the Election [God's Elect] hath obtained it".


How ? They obtained it by Faith in Christ: The Faith of God's Elect Titus 1:1.

Now the rest of National Israel, are not God's Chosen People.

So in Rom. 11:7, Paul distinguishes Israel [national] from the Chosen Election of Grace [God's Chosen People Eph. 1:4] which were Promised Salvation Is. 45:17 , which included only a tiny remnant of the ethnic jews Rom. 9:27; "and the rest were blinded" .

There are people who are blood related to Abraham, but NOT saved unless less they have the faith like their father Abraham.

The Gentiles who have faith are now descendants of Abraham.

So it no longer matters about if one is related by blood to Abraham, and it only matters if one has FAITH in JESUS' blood.

See John 1:13 children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband's will, but born of God.

Did you read how the scripture says 'not of natural descent'?
Natural decent is about those to whom we are blood related.
The written Word of God says NOT of natural descent. That means it does not matter if someone is blood related to Abraham anymore.

Now see how the scripture says not of human decision?
That is about a human cannot make the decision to be saved just by saying they are saved.

See how the scripture says not of a husband's will?
That is about a husband not being able to have his wife become a Jew by converting her with certain rituals the Jews used to do.
In the past, a Jew could marry and then the wife performs the practices of Judaism, and so become a Jew and a child of God...this is no more now since Jesus.

Being born of God is how we are now saved. We are born of God by receiving the Holy Spirit. We receive the Holy Spirit by asking Jesus to save us, after we repent of our sins, believing his blood washes us, and calling on him to help,