Quote from another thread with a good article...
Good article! Excellent point! To the others that do not understand what you are saying...
I answered [MENTION=5868]chair[/MENTION] on this and will drop the quote. "Love thy Neighbor" includes protecting people from an "Islamic equivalent" of the KKK. If you deny the millions of human rights violations that are beyond comprehension by Islam and try to stifle the true implications of this... you aren't loving your negbor either.
To further support the wisdom in your article that is against ignorant reception of Islam... I add this on Taqiyya...
Deception, Lying
and
Taqiyya
Does Islam permit Muslims to lie?
Muslim scholars teach that Muslims should generally be truthful to each other, unless the purpose of lying is to "smooth over differences."
There are several forms of lying to non-believers that are permitted under certain circumstances, the best known being taqiyya. These circumstances are typically those that advance the cause of Islam - in some cases by gaining the trust of non-believers in order to draw out their vulnerability and defeat them.
Quran
Quran (16:106) - Establishes that there are circumstances that can "compel" a Muslim to tell a lie.
Quran (3:28) - This verse tells Muslims not to take those outside the faith as friends, unless it is to "guard themselves" against danger, meaning that there are times when a Muslim should appear friendly to non-Muslims, even though they should not feel that way..
Quran (9:3) - "...Allah and His Messenger are free from liability to the idolaters..." The dissolution of oaths with the pagans who remained at Mecca following its capture. They did nothing wrong, but were evicted anyway. (The next verse refers only to those who have a personal agreement with Muhammad as individuals - see Ibn Kathir (vol 4, p 49)
Quran (40:28) - A man is introduced as a believer, but one who had to "hide his faith" among those who are not believers.
Quran (2:225) - "Allah will not call you to account for thoughtlessness in your oaths, but for the intention in your hearts"
Quran (3:54) - "And they (the disbelievers) schemed, and Allah schemed (against them): and Allah is the best of schemers." The Arabic word used here for scheme (or plot) is makara, which literally means 'deceit'. If Allah is supremely deceitful toward unbelievers, then there is little basis for denying that Muslims are allowed to do the same. (See also 8:30 and 10:21)
Taken collectively these verses are interpreted to mean that there are circumstances when a Muslim may be "compelled" to deceive others for a greater purpose.
Hadith and Sira
Sahih Bukhari (52:269) - "The Prophet said, 'War is deceit.'" The context of this is thought to be the murder of Usayr ibn Zarim and his thirty unarmed men by Muhammad's men after he "guaranteed" them safe passage (see Additional Notes below).
Sahih Bukhari (49:857) - "He who makes peace between the people by inventing good information or saying good things, is not a liar." Lying is permitted when the end justifies the means.
Sahih Bukhari (84:64-65) - Speaking from a position of power at the time, Ali confirms that lying is permitted in order to deceive an "enemy."
Sahih Muslim (32:6303) - "...he did not hear that exemption was granted in anything what the people speak as lie but in three cases: in battle, for bringing reconciliation amongst persons and the narration of the words of the husband to his wife, and the narration of the words of a wife to her husband (in a twisted form in order to bring reconciliation between them)."
Sahih Bukhari (50:369) - Recounts the murder of a poet, Ka'b bin al-Ashraf, at Muhammad's insistence. The men who volunteered for the assassination used dishonesty to gain Ka'b's trust, pretending that they had turned against Muhammad. This drew the victim out of his fortress, whereupon he was brutally slaughtered.
From Islamic Law:
Reliance of the Traveler (p. 746 - 8.2) - "Speaking is a means to achieve objectives. If a praiseworthy aim is attainable through both telling the truth and lying, it is unlawful to accomplish through lying because there is no need for it. When it is possible to achieve such an aim by lying but not by telling the truth, it is permissible to lie if attaining the goal is permissible (N:i.e. when the purpose of lying is to circumvent someone who is preventing one from doing something permissible), and obligatory to lie if the goal is obligatory... it is religiously precautionary in all cases to employ words that give a misleading impression... (See the Permissible Lying section on the Sharia page for more)
"One should compare the bad consequences entailed by lying to those entailed by telling the truth, and if the consequences of telling the truth are more damaging, one is entitled to lie."
Reference...
Religion of Peace . com
All said... here is my reply...
Chair...
Islam as a ideology must bring stringent surveillance and moderation from outside forces that would be fair and secure.
Individuals should be granted religious rights, while the majority must be treated as a political entity that is self serving and malicious towards peaceful cohabitation.
Theocratic supporters of Islam must be recognized as terrorists with an ill agenda.
Religion never defines a human being, but how they respect the human rights of their fellow citizens. As far as Israel and the US are concerned... Islam must be called for what it is... while individuals that discount the violent teachings and attempt to peacefully integrate must be respected... but monitored for possible ties to terrorism or violence incitement towards western principles of cohabitation.
Tolerance is fine... but adherence to progressive countries like Israel and the US that seek to protect the lives of all citizens rights to the pursuit of happiness... as long as human rights aren't encroached on... must occur. In other words... safety of all people of all creeds must be watched out for, over the whims of a violent... political war machine. Mob rule should also be protected against. He man rights should always be elevated... but violence and intolerance should never be recognized as religion.
Incidentally... Jesus represents dignity to all and commanded forgiveness and Live. Those that are terrorist and Proclaim to be Christians... are not Christians.
Those who are terrorists and Islamic are only following the Hadith, Mohammed and Allah.
Deception is a common tactic of Islam for infiltration... and this too must be known!
People seeking asylum from Islamic terror must be acknowledged... but evaluated an monitored for possible ties to a greater Islamic agenda.
No Islamic Genocide should be prescribed... but prevention of Political, Theocratic Islam should be thwarted as long as possible.
Islam will not fall until the true Meshiach returns.
- EE
