Because I expect better from that one.
Is there a risk of death from the covid vaccine?
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Bad news for the CDC. Their latest report claims more than 12,000 people have died after taking the covid vaccine. A spokesman said that must be wrong so they are trying to figure out how it was reported.That depends on how one analyzes the propaganda. Some say there is no connection between covid vaccines and the deaths of those who died shortly after receiving the vaccine. There are others who say we should take the vaccine for everyone else's benefit if not for our own. There are others who say the government should shut down and/or restrict the movements of those who refuse to take the vaccine. But what are the facts?
I found this. People dying from unknown causes shortly after taking the vaccine while officials supporting the government narratives insist they see no apparent link between the vaccine and the resulting deaths.
Here are quotes:
What you need to know about severe reactions to COVID vaccines
A small number of vaccine recipients have had a serious, but treatable, allergic reaction, called anaphylaxis.fortune.com
A few countries have reported deaths following administration of COVID-19 vaccines, but medical specialists have found no evidence of a connection to the inoculations.
Norwegian officials were the first to report people dying after being inoculated, saying in mid-January that 33 people age 75 and older had died a short time after receiving the COVID vaccine from Pfizer Inc. and BioNTech SE.
The U.K.’s Medicines and Healthcare Products Regulatory Agency reported that as of Jan. 24, there were 143 deaths shortly after injections with the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine and another from AstraZeneca Plc, mainly in elderly people or those with underlying illness, and that there’s no suggestion the vaccines played a role.
And in the U.S., the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said that as of Feb. 7, there were 1,170 reported deaths among people who received either the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine or another from Moderna Inc., a rate of 0.003%, and no evidence suggests a link.
Spike in Death Reports Following COVID-19 Vaccination Caused by a Mistake: CDC
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) on Friday said a passive reporting system it runs with the Food and Drug Administration had received 12,313 reports of death among those who received a COVID-19 vaccine.
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So you expect worse from the dems?
And excuse their embrace of evil and perversion based on what?
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Robert Barnes Article of the Day: Quote from Med Literature fromBad news for the CDC. Their latest report claims more than 12,000 people have died after taking the covid vaccine. A spokesman said that must be wrong so they are trying to figure out how it was reported.
A sudden jump in the post-COVID-19 vaccination death reports is not correct and was the result of an “error,” according to a U.S. health agency.Spike in Death Reports Following COVID-19 Vaccination Caused by a Mistake: CDC
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The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) on Friday said a passive reporting system it runs with the Food and Drug Administration had received 12,313 reports of death among those who received a COVID-19 vaccine.
"VAERS rates have been estimated to represent 5% to 10% of the true figure of adverse reactions."
If applied to Covid19 reports from VAERS, then rather than the near half-million adverse reports in just six months of the Covid19 vaccines to VAERS, the actual number of adverse events would be closer to 5 to 10 million adverse events. By comparison, the number of healthy people (those without preexisting deadly diseases) who died from Covid19 over a six month period would be about 25,000 Americans. Are people really being irrational by not rushing to take the Covid19 vaccine?
https://www.bmj.com/rapid-response/...icella-vaccination-are-grossly-under-reported
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ok doser
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So 100% of those vaccinated are coming down with Covid?
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No, it's 84%
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That sounds suspiciously like AOC math.
DeSantis may be wrong. There are those claiming the covid vaccine is saving lives but those assumptions cannot be proven beyond doubt. What can be proven beyond doubt, however, is that tens of thousands of people have gotten sick from the vaccine.
Very bad news for democrats. Three Texas democrats fighting Texas voting integrity and security measures ended up infecting democrats in Congress with their own covid illnesses, and All Three Had Been Previously Vaccinated Against Covid.That depends on how one analyzes the propaganda. Some say there is no connection between covid vaccines and the deaths of those who died shortly after receiving the vaccine. There are others who say we should take the vaccine for everyone else's benefit if not for our own. There are others who say the government should shut down and/or restrict the movements of those who refuse to take the vaccine. But what are the facts?
I found this. People dying from unknown causes shortly after taking the vaccine while officials supporting the government narratives insist they see no apparent link between the vaccine and the resulting deaths.
Here are quotes:
What you need to know about severe reactions to COVID vaccines
A small number of vaccine recipients have had a serious, but treatable, allergic reaction, called anaphylaxis.
A few countries have reported deaths following administration of COVID-19 vaccines, but medical specialists have found no evidence of a connection to the inoculations.
Norwegian officials were the first to report people dying after being inoculated, saying in mid-January that 33 people age 75 and older had died a short time after receiving the COVID vaccine from Pfizer Inc. and BioNTech SE.
The U.K.’s Medicines and Healthcare Products Regulatory Agency reported that as of Jan. 24, there were 143 deaths shortly after injections with the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine and another from AstraZeneca Plc, mainly in elderly people or those with underlying illness, and that there’s no suggestion the vaccines played a role.
And in the U.S., the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said that as of Feb. 7, there were 1,170 reported deaths among people who received either the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine or another from Moderna Inc., a rate of 0.003%, and no evidence suggests a link.
Three runaway Texas Democrats test positive for COVID after fleeing to Washington
In a Saturday statement, the Texas House Democratic Caucus said that a member of the caucus reported testing positive Friday for COVID-19, and that two more legislators received positive test results Saturday after taking the rapid test.
In a Saturday statement, the Texas House Democratic Caucus said that a member of the caucus reported testing positive Friday for COVID-19, and that two more legislators received positive test results Saturday after taking the rapid test.
All three were fully vaccinated. Other Democrats and staff have tested negative on the rapid test, according to the caucus.
That is a serious blow to democrat claims that the covid vaccine is effective against covid.
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15,472 Dead 1.5 Million Injured (50% Serious) Reported in European Union’s Database of Adverse Drug Reactions for COVID-19 Shots
15,472 Dead 1.5 Million Injured (50% Serious) Reported in European Union’s Database of Adverse Drug Reactions for COVID-19 Shots - Global Research
All Global Research articles can be read in 51 languages by activating the “Translate Website” drop down menu on the top banner of our home page (Desktop version). Visit and follow us on Instagram at @crg_globalresearch. *** The European database of suspected drug reaction reports is...
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Don't allow polls of the ignorant to drive you into foolish fears of the Delta Variant like so many ignorant Americans were driven to near panic over the covid virus. Here are some comforting facts to help ease the urges to panic:"The vaccine is worse than the disease!"
When asked which poses a greater risk to their health, more unvaccinated Americans say the COVID-19 vaccines than say the virus itself, according to a new Yahoo News/YouGov poll — a view that contradicts all available science and data and underscores the challenges that the United States will continue to face as it struggles to stop a growing “pandemic of the unvaccinated” driven by the hyper-contagious Delta variant.
The survey of 1,715 U.S. adults, which was conducted from July 13 to 15, found that just 29 percent of unvaccinated Americans believe the virus poses a greater risk to their health than the vaccines — significantly less than the number who believe the vaccines represent the greater health risk (37 percent) or say they’re not sure (34 percent).
Unvaccinated Americans say COVID vaccines are riskier than the virus, even as Delta surges among them
Despite the surge in infections from the Delta variant of the coronavirus, a Yahoo News/YouGov poll has found that 93 percent of unvaccinated U.S. adults, the equivalent of 76 million people, say they will either “never” get vaccinated (51 percent); that they will keep waiting “to see what...news.yahoo.com
Horowitz: Data from India continues to blow up the ‘Delta’ fear narrative | Blaze Media
Rather than proving the need to sow more panic, fear, and control over people, the story from India — the source of the "Delta" variant — continues to refute every current premise of COVID fascism. The prevailing narrative from Fauci, Walensky, and company is that Delta is more serious than...
www.theblaze.com
Delta is largely an attenuated version, with a much lower fatality rate, that for most people is akin to a cold.
Masks failed to stop the spread there.
The country has come close to the herd immunity threshold with just 3% vaccinated.
Most people are now getting cold-like symptoms from Delta, but to the extent countries hit by Delta suffered some deaths and serious illness, they could have been avoided not with vaccines and masks, but with early and preventive treatment like ivermectin.
A national doctors organization is suing the Biden administration to stop administering the hazardous covid vaccine. If anyone should know whether the vaccine is hazardous or not it is an organization of medical professionals.
www.theepochtimes.com
America’s Frontline Doctors, a nonprofit, filed a motion on July 19 seeking immediate injunctive relief to stop the emergency use authorization (EUA) of COVID-19 vaccines for three groups of Americans: anyone under the age of 18, anyone who has recovered from COVID-19, and those who haven’t given informed consent as defined by federal law.
The motion was filed against Xavier Becerra, Secretary of the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS), and other defendants in a federal district court in the Northern District of Alabama.
“The emergency declaration and its multiple renewals are illegal,” the complaint (pdf) alleges.
Nonprofit Sues HHS to Immediately Stop Emergency Use Authorization of COVID-19 Vaccines
The motion was filed against Xavier Becerra, Secretary of the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS), and other defendants in a federal district court in the Northern District of Alabama.
“The emergency declaration and its multiple renewals are illegal,” the complaint (pdf) alleges.
America's scumbag liar in chief goes public with the wholly disproven claim that vaccinated people cannot get covid. He remains apparently unaware that just last week a rogue delegation of fully vaccinated democrat politicians from Texas got covid and spread the covid virus among DC democrats like wildfire.
www.theepochtimes.com
President Joe Biden claimed that Americans who get fully vaccinated against COVID-19 will gain complete protection against the disease, preventing hospitalization and death.
“You’re not going to get COVID if you have these vaccinations,” Biden said Wednesday while speaking at a televised town hall in Cincinnati, Ohio. “If you’re vaccinated, you’re not going to be hospitalized, you’re not going to be in the IC unit, and you’re not going to die,” he added.
Biden Claims Fully Vaccinated People Cannot Get COVID-19
“You’re not going to get COVID if you have these vaccinations,” Biden said Wednesday while speaking at a televised town hall in Cincinnati, Ohio. “If you’re vaccinated, you’re not going to be hospitalized, you’re not going to be in the IC unit, and you’re not going to die,” he added.
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Yes, but your whole position on this is profoundly misleading and it is difficult to believe that you are not aware of this.
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You lie - I never suggested such a thing.
Yes, your lying is perhaps subtle - this is why it is so pernicious. In this case, you lie by trying to draw an equivalence between the opinion of a large of group of highly trained, highly qualified medical experts and a "mob".
I'm sure we'll see more information when the data is collected, but even looking at France and Italy, which have very high vaccination rates as you point out, comparing them to eastern block countries like Hungary, Romania, or the former Czechoslovakia, etc. where vaccination rates are much lower - the death rate is still the similar. And not spiking due to the delta variant either.Okay, so first of all, I apologize for my last post. The thick headed conspiracy theorists on this thread have gotten me to a point where I really don't even want to be here on TOL at all and I definitely have lost all interest in discussing this particular topic. None of that has anything to do with you and I shouldn't have responded to your post the way I did.
Having said that, I cannot imagine what it is your searching for that's so difficult to find.
United States
United States COVID - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer
United States Coronavirus update with statistics and graphs: total and new cases, deaths per day, mortality and recovery rates, current active cases, recoveries, trends and timeline.www.worldometers.info
Russia
Russia COVID - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer
Russia Coronavirus update with statistics and graphs: total and new cases, deaths per day, mortality and recovery rates, current active cases, recoveries, trends and timeline.www.worldometers.info
Those links will show you a graph of the daily deaths from COVID in the US and then in first country that popped into my mind that isn't an ally of the US and therefore hasn't had access to these vaccines (at least not in the numbers of doses that would be needed to have the pandemic under control the way we and other western countries do.)
Indonesia
Indonesia COVID - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer
Indonesia Coronavirus update with statistics and graphs: total and new cases, deaths per day, mortality and recovery rates, current active cases, recoveries, trends and timeline.www.worldometers.info
Iran
Iran COVID - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer
Iran Coronavirus update with statistics and graphs: total and new cases, deaths per day, mortality and recovery rates, current active cases, recoveries, trends and timeline.www.worldometers.info
Then look at nations who have the vaccines...
France
France COVID - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer
France Coronavirus update with statistics and graphs: total and new cases, deaths per day, mortality and recovery rates, current active cases, recoveries, trends and timeline.www.worldometers.info
Italy
Italy COVID - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer
Italy Coronavirus update with statistics and graphs: total and new cases, deaths per day, mortality and recovery rates, current active cases, recoveries, trends and timeline.www.worldometers.info
Now, to be fair, that really doesn't give anywhere near the whole picture because vaccines aren't the only thing that effect the spread of the virus. There are other factors, such as natural immunity, population density, health care infrastructure, etc. And that's not to mention the fact that all the numbers are inflated in various ways for all kinds of political reasons that make the numbers questionable in the first place. BUT - Ignoring the untrustworthy numbers for the time being - there are, for example, tens of millions of people in the US (I think the number is much much higher than that actually) who have had COVID and recovered from it and so far more than the 48% who have been vaccinated are immune to the disease and so we may be very close to herd immunity, if we haven't already achieved it in this country. It is, therefore, probably not even possible to do a true apples to apples comparison between countries based solely on vaccine usage.
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P.S. Now, if I disappear from this thread, its only because this topic now bores me to tears and its a waste of time anyway.
So, if I don't care about the vaccine, it's because it doesn't affect much. But I'm very wary of the way the government is pushing the vaccine. And with all the lies they've told it is wise to consider what they say or promote as wrong and bad until shown otherwise. Since the data isn't in, my opinion is that we haven't been shown otherwise yet.