Is there a risk of death from the covid vaccine?

[Lon]

There is also no proof that bubble gum didn't cause the deaths.

Or old age with health complications, which dose they received etc. It is difficult to pin down actuals from number-statistics. Many of those in a nursing home perhaps were likely protected from CoVid as the other health concern led to their passing.

 

[way 2 go]

And, once again, you ignore all the information that has already been presented. The efficacy of the vaccine and the longevity of the immunity appears to be similar to that of natural immunity. The science suggests that natural immunity is stronger in some way and that the vaccine immunity is stronger in others but that both yield an immunity that lasts for at at least 6 - 8 months.

Clete

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vaccine is a .7% to 1.1% absolute risk reduction

8÷21720 = 3.68 x100=.03 in Pfzier/BioNTe
162÷21726=.007 x100=.74 placebo

.74 - .03= .71

11÷15210=7.23 x 100= .07 Moderna vacc
185÷15210= .012 x100= 1.21 placebo

1.21 - .07 = 1.1

which is vaccine .7% to 1.1% absolute risk reduction

 

[way 2 go]

This question has been asked and answered more times than I can remember.

These vaccines have gone through the exact same testing as any other drug that has received similar approvals in the past. If anything the standards were heightened for the COVID-19 vaccines, not lowered. The speed with which they were made available is not a function of a lack of testing but rather of a lack of governmental red tape which Trump took a chain saw too.

Clete

Did Pfizer Fail to Perform industry Standard Animal Testing Prior to Initiation of mRNA Clinical Trials?


TrialSite has learned of material information regarding mRNA vaccine safety revealed by a freedom of information act (FOIA) request filed by a group of Canadian physicians. These doctors have become concerned about COVID-19 mRNA vaccine safety. This new safety information involves the Pfizer mRNA-based vaccine known as BNT162b2 or “Comirnaty.” The FOIA documents reveal animal study results demonstrating that the Pfizer mRNA-based vaccine does not remain at the injection site, but rather appears to spread widely after injection. According to the documents, pre-clinical studies show that the active part of the vaccine (mRNA-lipid nanoparticles), which produce the spike protein, spreads throughout the body and is then concentrated in various organs, including the ovaries and spleen.

The full panel of industry-standard reproductive toxicity and genotoxicity studies were apparently also not performed.

 

[marke]

In spite of all your confidence, people like this are suffering greatly for taking the vaccine while you make light of it.

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Romney relatives get blood clots from vaccine

If kids are getting deathly ill from the vaccines we need to know that. Leftists who hide the evidence are doing a great deal of damage and harm to millions of innocent people who should be warned not coaxed into blind acceptance of a possibly deadly vaccine.

Draper teenager hospitalized with blood clots after COVID-19 vaccine shot

DRAPER, Utah (ABC4) – The day after his COVID-19 vaccine shot, 17-year-old Everest Romney felt his neck swelling. In the coming days, he suffered from severe headaches. His mother, who tells …

www.abc4.com

On Thursday, Everest left the ICU, but his eyes are still swollen and the road ahead is uncertain.
Cherie says she has been overwhelmed with support not just locally, but around the country. People are praying and sending messages of love, which she says are holding her family up during this time. Going forward, she says she wants parents to make the best decisions for their children, and for doctors to understand this new vaccine might bring new challenges to conventional wisdom.
She doesn’t want to discourage parents, she says, because each parent must make the best decision for their child. Still, with her son now hospitalized, she wishes her choice had been a different one.
“It was pretty awful,” says Romney.
As of May 18, Romney is at home recovering from the blood clots. He is still experiencing the clots and brain swelling, but he is able to sit at the dinner table and have meals with his family, his mother tells ABC4.

 

[marke]

You keep repeating the same meaningless phrase. My point was clear - please address it: you are attempting to dupe the unsophisticated reader who does not understand that all sorts of other factors can cause infections to increase even if masks are acting to lessen the degree of increase.

Please explain why I am incorrect to level such an accusation. And please use an actual argument, not a meaningless word salad.

Masks have been proven to be very dangerous for kids to wear constantly.

Horowitz: A group of Florida parents cultured their children’s masks and found dangerous bacteria | Blaze Media

The idea of children, including preschoolers, walking around with bacteria traps on their breathing orifices all day so shocked the conscience that last summer, a bunch of internet parodies were produced illustrating such absurdity. Then, within weeks, most local governments mandated this cruel...

www.theblaze.com

In a press release obtained by TheBlaze and posted at RationalGround.com, six Alachua County, Florida, parents reported the findings of the lab cultures of their children's masks worn in school. The parents sent the six masks to the University of Florida's Mass Spectrometry Research and Education Center after they were worn for five to eight hours, most during in-person schooling by children ages 6 through 11. Although many students across the country likely wore dirty masks indefinitely for numerous days, the face masks studied in this analysis were new or freshly laundered before wearing. One of the masks submitted was from an adult who wore it at work as a cosmetologist.
The resulting report found that five masks were contaminated with bacteria, parasites, and fungi, including three with dangerous pathogenic and pneumonia-causing bacteria.
The lab used a method called proteomics to extract proteins from the masks and sequence them. The analysis detected the following 11 alarmingly dangerous pathogens on the masks:

 

[marke]

Also, have a smoker take a puff off his cigarette and then blow the smoke out through his mask and see where the smoke goes and if anyone can smell it.

How much do you want to bet that it goes farther than six feet and that people from all the way across the room will be able to smell it - even with their own masks on?!

Clete

How many different deadly bacteria can you get in your mask by wearing it consistently in obedience to unscientific government mandates? Lots.

Horowitz: A group of Florida parents cultured their children’s masks and found dangerous bacteria | Blaze Media

The idea of children, including preschoolers, walking around with bacteria traps on their breathing orifices all day so shocked the conscience that last summer, a bunch of internet parodies were produced illustrating such absurdity. Then, within weeks, most local governments mandated this cruel...

www.theblaze.com

In a press release obtained by TheBlaze and posted at RationalGround.com, six Alachua County, Florida, parents reported the findings of the lab cultures of their children's masks worn in school. The parents sent the six masks to the University of Florida's Mass Spectrometry Research and Education Center after they were worn for five to eight hours, most during in-person schooling by children ages 6 through 11. Although many students across the country likely wore dirty masks indefinitely for numerous days, the face masks studied in this analysis were new or freshly laundered before wearing. One of the masks submitted was from an adult who wore it at work as a cosmetologist.
The resulting report found that five masks were contaminated with bacteria, parasites, and fungi, including three with dangerous pathogenic and pneumonia-causing bacteria.
The lab used a method called proteomics to extract proteins from the masks and sequence them. The analysis detected the following 11 alarmingly dangerous pathogens on the masks:

 

[Clete]

No 'giveaways" to entice people to take the vaccine? Yes, there are, just like there were all sorts of giveaway gimmicks tried to entice Americans to willingly buy into the tax-hike Obamacare boondoggle.

There are NO such national "giveaways", marke!

All such 'giveaways' are at the local and state levels and exactly none of them force you to take either the vaccine OR the 'giveaway'.

 

[marke]

There are NO such national "giveaways", marke!

All such 'giveaways' are at the local and state levels and exactly none of them force you to take either the vaccine OR the 'giveaway'.

You must not have heard about this:

NC to give out $1 million each to 4 vaccinated residents

Vaccinated North Carolinians are now eligible to win a $1 million prize.

www.wsoctv.com

RALEIGH, N.C. — A new lottery in North Carolina will give the more than 4.2 million vaccinated residents across the state a different kind of shot: a chance to win $1 million.
As part of a program called Your Shot at $1 Million, North Carolina will launch cash drawings for residents who get or have gotten their COVID-19 vaccine in the state.

 

[Clete]

In spite of all your confidence, people like this are suffering greatly for taking the vaccine while you make light of it.

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Romney relatives get blood clots from vaccine

I'm making light of nothing!

You have NOTHING but anecdotal stories of people here and there experiencing some issues with the vaccine. There was never anyone who ever expected that there be ZERO issues with the vaccines. There are people who have complications and there are so called "break through" cases of covid19 all of which is perfectly normal and totally expected.

That does not change the fact that these vaccines work and are very very very safe. If automobiles were as safe as these vaccines, there'd be no such thing as seat belts. If getting into a swimming pool was as safe as these vaccines, you'd have never heard of any such thing as a life guard. These vaccines are statistically safer than ANY surgical procedure you name!

Not only are they safe but they are almost totally effective! In fact, the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines have been 100% effective at preventing hospitalization due to a COVID infection. That's right! Almost no one who has been fully vaccinated has had to go to the hospital because of a break through case of COVID 19 and those that have, the science says, were likely infected BEFORE getting the shots.

However! Just so that you don't think I'm ignoring the data and "making light" of something. Here's something that you'd read and instantly think "SEE! I told you so!"...

From the report linked to above...

However, 12% (211) showed symptoms 15-21 days after vaccination and 29% (526) more than 21 days after vaccination. These cases could be due to vaccination failure, meaning that the vaccine failed to provide the person with immunity. The team emphasized that this was not an unexpected finding, as the vaccines were not 100% effective, and that the absolute numbers of vaccinated people being admitted to hospital 21 days after their first dose were “tiny.”​

So, once again, the vaccines are not a panacea nor has anyone ever suggested that they are. They are, however, one hell of a lot better than COVID 19 and your fear of them is not founded in anything related to reason, science or common sense.

Clete

 

[marke]

I'm making light of nothing!

You have NOTHING but anecdotal stories of people here and there experiencing some issues with the vaccine. There was never anyone who ever expected that there be ZERO issues with the vaccines. There are people who have complications and there are so called "break through" cases of covid19 all of which is perfectly normal and totally expected.

That does not change the fact that these vaccines work and are very very very safe. If automobiles were as safe as these vaccines, there'd be no such thing as seat belts. If getting into a swimming pool was as safe as these vaccines, you'd have never heard of any such thing as a life guard. These vaccines are statistically safer than ANY surgical procedure you name!

Not only are they safe but they are almost totally effective! In fact, the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines have been 100% effective at preventing hospitalization due to a COVID infection. That's right! Almost no one who has been fully vaccinated has had to go to the hospital because of a break through case of COVID 19 and those that have, the science says, were likely infected BEFORE getting the shots.

However! Just so that you don't think I'm ignoring the data and "making light" of something. Here's something that you'd read and instantly think "SEE! I told you so!"...

From the report linked to above...

However, 12% (211) showed symptoms 15-21 days after vaccination and 29% (526) more than 21 days after vaccination. These cases could be due to vaccination failure, meaning that the vaccine failed to provide the person with immunity. The team emphasized that this was not an unexpected finding, as the vaccines were not 100% effective, and that the absolute numbers of vaccinated people being admitted to hospital 21 days after their first dose were “tiny.”​

So, once again, the vaccines are not a panacea nor has anyone ever suggested that they are. They are, however, one hell of a lot better than COVID 19 and your fear of them is not founded in anything related to reason, science or common sense.

Clete

Covid vaccines are not dangerous to those who don't experience bad reactions, but for thousands who have already experienced bad reactions, some causing permanent damage and even death, no matter how safe it may be for everyone else, it was not safe for them.

 

[Clete]

link
vaccine is a .7% to 1.1% absolute risk reduction

8÷21720 = 3.68 x100=.03 in Pfzier/BioNTe
162÷21726=.007 x100=.74 placebo

.74 - .03= .71

11÷15210=7.23 x 100= .07 Moderna vacc
185÷15210= .012 x100= 1.21 placebo

1.21 - .07 = 1.1

which is vaccine .7% to 1.1% absolute risk reduction

Irrelevant.

I have not been arguing that people need or even should take the vaccine. I merely contend that the vaccines are both safe and effective.
I would recommend that anyone who is either in a high risk group or who is frightened of getting COVID 19 get the vaccine. It takes the risk of getting the disease to very nearly zero for anyone who gets the shots, regardless of which risk group they're in, and the risk of a complications related to the shots is so minute that its asinine to spend any time at all worrying about it. Further, the more people who are immune, the fewer people who aren't immune will catch the disease, again, regardless of which risk group they happen to be in.

A look at the absolute risk reduction would be more applicable to the discussion about whether or not we should have ever had this ridiculous reaction to this disease in the first place, which we clearly should not have. None of the shut downs, mask wearing and social distancing had any effect whatsoever and were all implemented to the extent they were for political reasons, not medical or scientific reasons. It started out as an effort to prevent hosptial over runs as had already happened in Italy but it quickly turned into a fear mongering power grab the likes of which has not ever been seen in this country. As far as I'm concerned, if taking this almost totally safe and extremely effective vaccine is what it takes to get our society back to something close to normal, then I'm all for it. And who knows, maybe this little taste of Fascism in America is what we needed to prevent the complete socialist take over of the country. I doubt it but here's to hoping for the best!

Clete

 

[Clete]

Covid vaccines are not dangerous to those who don't experience bad reactions, but for thousands who have already experienced bad reactions, some causing permanent damage and even death, no matter how safe it may be for everyone else, it was not safe for them.

Thanks for that bit of brilliance, Capt. Obvious!

 

[Clete]

How many different deadly bacteria can you get in your mask by wearing it consistently in obedience to unscientific government mandates? Lots.

Horowitz: A group of Florida parents cultured their children’s masks and found dangerous bacteria | Blaze Media

The idea of children, including preschoolers, walking around with bacteria traps on their breathing orifices all day so shocked the conscience that last summer, a bunch of internet parodies were produced illustrating such absurdity. Then, within weeks, most local governments mandated this cruel...

www.theblaze.com

In a press release obtained by TheBlaze and posted at RationalGround.com, six Alachua County, Florida, parents reported the findings of the lab cultures of their children's masks worn in school. The parents sent the six masks to the University of Florida's Mass Spectrometry Research and Education Center after they were worn for five to eight hours, most during in-person schooling by children ages 6 through 11. Although many students across the country likely wore dirty masks indefinitely for numerous days, the face masks studied in this analysis were new or freshly laundered before wearing. One of the masks submitted was from an adult who wore it at work as a cosmetologist.
The resulting report found that five masks were contaminated with bacteria, parasites, and fungi, including three with dangerous pathogenic and pneumonia-causing bacteria.
The lab used a method called proteomics to extract proteins from the masks and sequence them. The analysis detected the following 11 alarmingly dangerous pathogens on the masks:

Irrelevant.

I have never advocated obedience to unscientific government mandates. I have consistantly and repeatedly stated that masks do not work. They never have worked and they never will work so says decades worth of scientific studies of various kinds all over the world.

 

[marke]

Thanks for that bit of brilliance, Capt. Obvious!

You should support calls for waiting to try the experimental vaccine on people before it goes through rigorous testing and gets government approval.

 

[marke]

Irrelevant.

I have never advocated obedience to unscientific government mandates. I have consistantly and repeatedly stated that masks do not work. They never have worked and they never will work so says decades worth of scientific studies of various kinds all over the world.

Reporting facts should never be considered "irrelevant."

 

[Clete]

Did Pfizer Fail to Perform industry Standard Animal Testing Prior to Initiation of mRNA Clinical Trials?


TrialSite has learned of material information regarding mRNA vaccine safety revealed by a freedom of information act (FOIA) request filed by a group of Canadian physicians. These doctors have become concerned about COVID-19 mRNA vaccine safety. This new safety information involves the Pfizer mRNA-based vaccine known as BNT162b2 or “Comirnaty.” The FOIA documents reveal animal study results demonstrating that the Pfizer mRNA-based vaccine does not remain at the injection site, but rather appears to spread widely after injection. According to the documents, pre-clinical studies show that the active part of the vaccine (mRNA-lipid nanoparticles), which produce the spike protein, spreads throughout the body and is then concentrated in various organs, including the ovaries and spleen.

The full panel of industry-standard reproductive toxicity and genotoxicity studies were apparently also not performed.

I do not believe it. Even if it is true, it needs context. Perhaps the tests mentioned were not performed for some good reason (i.e. perhaps they weren't relevant) and I don't know of anyone who has ever suggested the vaccine stayed at the injection site.

Further, it is known for certain, because of the way the mRNA is designed, that it does NOT, in fact it CANNOT, stay in the body for long. The cells the mRNA is introduced into do not reproduce themselves. They do their thing and then they die. The body replenishes them by making more but the new ones are back to the regular version and don't have the mRNA. If this were not so, you wouldn't need to get more than one shot because the protien producing cells would persist in the body for much longer.

And then there is the fact that literally hundreds of millions of doses have been administered with no statistically significant complications.

 

[User Name]

I do not believe it.

Do you believe that the vaccine has the mark of the beast in it? @marke suspects it does.

Good luck reasoning with that.

 

[marke]

I do not believe it. Even if it is true, it needs context. Perhaps the tests mentioned were not performed for some good reason (i.e. perhaps they weren't relevant) and I don't know of anyone who has ever suggested the vaccine stayed at the injection site.

Further, it is known for certain, because of the way the mRNA is designed, that it does NOT, in fact it CANNOT, stay in the body for long. The cells the mRNA is introduced into do not reproduce themselves. They do their thing and then they die. The body replenishes them by making more but the new ones are back to the regular version and don't have the mRNA. If this were not so, you wouldn't need to get more than one shot because the protien producing cells would persist in the body for much longer.

And then there is the fact that literally hundreds of millions of doses have been administered with no statistically significant complications.

Hardening favorable opinions about the vaccines while closing one's eyes to reports of problems is not very wise.

 

[ok doser]

Do you believe that the vaccine has the mark of the beast in it? @marke suspects it does.

Good luck reasoning with that.

Troll

 

[User Name]

Troll

It's not trolling, it's the truth. Here's his quote:

How much information will be going into the vaccine passports? Medical histories? DNA information? Mark of the Beast?