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ECT Is the OT entitled to equal time?
- Thread starter Interplanner
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Interplanner
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Paul said the reason for the crucifixion was hidden and it was hidden so the plans could not be stopped. He is very clear.
If you looked at OT passages with Christ in mind, not Israel, it was not all that hidden.
Did you know Caiaphas did try to meddle with the stated plan of things and try to stop it? Not the crucifixion, but the destruction of Israel.
But after all the dust settles, you may be right. The hiddenness did help it take place. It is a very fascinating event because after it takes place, God wants Israel to understand it so much and without shame about it.
Paul said the reason for the crucifixion was hidden and it was hidden so the plans could not be stopped. He is very clear.
What I see is that he said that had they known said hidden wisdom's intended glory they would not have crucified the Lord said intended glory, had been about, by the Cross.
And that glory is Christ in you.
The hope of glory itself throughout all creation - Him - IN a New Creature.
Again, he is relating that they have not grown past Christ died for our sins.
That they are not at a place where he can speak unto them as to the eternal purpose they were saved unto, to begin with.
In 1 Corinthians 1-3, he is clearly contrasting between two aspects of the Cross that had been given him to preach.
At the same time that he is just as clearly contrasting between two levels of maturity.
The spiritual babe in Christ they have remained, and the perfect, or spiritually mature saint they are nowhere near.
He goes from talking about the teaching about the Cross he had left them with, to the "howbeit we speak" that he finds they are nowhere ready for...
Interplanner
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What I see is that he said that had they known said hidden wisdom's intended glory they would not have crucified the Lord said intended glory, had been about, by the Cross.
And that glory is Christ in you.
The hope of glory itself throughout all creation - Him - IN a New Creature.
Again, he is relating that they have not grown past Christ died for our sins.
That they are not at a place where he can speak unto them as to the eternal purpose they were saved unto, to begin with.
In 1 Corinthians 1-3, he is clearly contrasting between two aspects of the Cross that had been given him to preach.
At the same time that he is just as clearly contrasting between two levels of maturity.
The spiritual babe in Christ they have remained, and the perfect, or spiritually mature saint they are nowhere near.
He goes from talking about the teaching about the Cross he had left them with, to the "howbeit we speak" that he finds they are nowhere ready for...
You have the maturity backwards Danoh. The mature believer stays with the glory of the Gospel, like a spouse faithful in a marriage.
The Corinthian problem was the pursuit of many things beyond. By glomming onto a personality, they lost the unity in the Gospel. By pursuing the subjective 'prayer language' they lost the mission of the Gospel. The pursuit of individual pleasure over took the Gospel and resulted in one case of incest. etc. Maturity is to remain true to the Gospel.
In 2 Cor, we find (reflexively) they had trouble comparing themselves with themselves and the solution was the preaching of Christ crucified. Then they have the problem of the impostor apostles from Judaism who want them to follow other gospels, spirits and Jesuses. These guys would disqualify or give 2nd-rate status to believers who stayed true to the Gospel, Col 2. Paul wants to keep them pure in Christ like a virgin.
You have that whole scenario backwards.
Just to review a couple other things:
It is not the crucifixion for which the people of that age were shamed, but the mission (non-participation in) that that Gospel generated.
The Christ in you of Col 1 is collective plural. He meant the number of Gentile believers who had come to believe.
The new creation of 2 Cor 5 is not the individuals. The grammar goes toward Christ. "if any man is in Christ the New Creation, the old things (the old covenant things) are gone, the new (covenant) has come." That is the meaning there. This also makes Gal 6 more clear. "Neither circ nor uncirc, but..." Many translations have simply added things into the new creation phrase to make it the individual believers, and lose the more objective sense intended.
Interplanner
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I Cor 2:2: We resolved not to know anything except Christ crucified.
2 Cor 4:5: We do not preach ourselves, but Jesus Christ as Lord...
...and what Paul did/taught there was what was known as wisdom by the mature (I Cor 2:6)
2 Cor 4:5: We do not preach ourselves, but Jesus Christ as Lord...
...and what Paul did/taught there was what was known as wisdom by the mature (I Cor 2:6)
I Cor 2:2: We resolved not to know anything except Christ crucified.
2 Cor 4:5: We do not preach ourselves, but Jesus Christ as Lord...
...and what Paul did/taught there was what was known as wisdom by the mature (I Cor 2:6)
Must be why your understanding of the Mystery is so skewed.
Face it, bro; you reason your reasoning into the various passages :chuckle:
Because that is the system you once heavily over relied on back when you were over relying on books "about" Dispensationalism, some point after which you then traded in that heavy over reliance on the reasonings of men, for the heavy over reliance on books "about" by non Dispies.
The same happens within Mid-Acts.
Someone finds they cannot figure out how this over here jibes with that over there...
Instead of taking that as an indicator they are perhaps not yet at a place in their understanding and or approach where much more refined principles become obvious, they instead run off in search of an answer in books "about."
Next thing they know - Voila! Puzzle solved (or so they think).
Some time later, down the road a spell, they have grown so thick headed in their wrong headed approach and its' reasoning INTO a thing, that they are no longer reasonable.
Next thing one knows, another camp has formed asserting IT has the true Mad understanding.
Never mind the cult-like aspect of that.
Nor the "my way, or the highway" mentality of the cultist and his easily offended, one sided sensibility :chuckle:
Knock yourself out, Inter :chuckle: