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No, it's why it always fails in the end.
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I don't think so. Strife and persecution over religious differences have been destabilizing forces in governmental function throughout history.
Right Divider
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Democracies are evil from the start.
Democratic Republics result in the greatest morality and reduction in human suffering.
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Not compared to a government run by God and His rules.
ok doser
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Does that include nearly 100 million babies murdered before they had a shot at making it in the world?
An appeal to incredulity is a logical fallacy.
Do you think that only secular people should have a say in how their government acts?
If not, then "separation of church and state" is just words.
If so, however, then your government is guaranteed to break down much quicker.
Again this kind of statement is not an appeal to incredulity. I am not claiming that something is false simple because it is hard to believe. I am being tentative and suggesting that Right Diviner draw a distinction about what he advocates.
Your knee-jerk reference to flaws in logic come off as illogical at times. Very ironic. You can do better.
Of course not. Citizens can vote their conscience based on whatever they please. Representatives, however, are tasked to make rational decisions based on evidence. If their decisions are based on superstition, they can be rightfully removed.
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Right Divider
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A vague and false accusation.
Yes. Contraception would be preferable, but prevention of the birth of unwanted children is a necessary evil that brings about a greater good. A fetus in the first trimester is little more than the idea of a person.
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Lying and murderous talk.
This is very specific. Here, Judge suggests I made a claim that I did not. He calls out the error of appeal to incredulity which is a flaw in logic. Such an error is clearly not present. This is the second time he claimed as such with me. What is not specific enough for you?
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ok doser
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If you believe that is true, then logically you should believe that prevention of the continuance of life of unwanted children (post-birth) should be allowed as well
I suppose that depends on how you define "person", which is why I prefer to avoid that sort of language.
A fetus in the first trimester is a genetically unique human life.
No I do not. Slippery slope arguments are weak.
Okay
True. Every egg could paired with a sperm. Eggs are unique human precursors and potential human lives in a similar sense.
ok doser
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I knew you would say that
It's not a slippery slope argument. It's applying YOUR criteria - "a necessary evil that brings about a greater good" - to the same situation, separated only by at least six months and the location of the genetically unique human life.
No. The unique feature occurs at conception.
"I do not see how...." makes whatever you say next an appeal to incredulity BY DEFINITION.
You were claiming, by your appeal to incredulity, that a Christian Theonomy would be the same as or worse than Sharia Law.
Your claim, aside from being fallacious, is wrong.
You quoted me, not RD, in the post that I was responding to.
What would be even more preferable is if people didn't have sex outside of marriage. Then contraceptives wouldn't be needed except for married couples who don't want to have kids, but still want to have sex (as weird as that would be)
There should be no such thing as an "unwanted child."
Do not do evil that good may come of it.
That's something Paul taught. He was right.
Life begins at conception. This is established medical fact.
The baby in the womb is the same person the moment after conception as he is at his death bed 90 years later.
That is not the only criterion. Stage of development and location are very relevant as well.
Unique features pop up through- out the course of development. I think it's fair to treat a fetus in the first trimester similar to how we would treat an egg and a fetus in the third trimester similar to how we treat an infant.