I could legitimately say in response to this...The scripture is clear as to why Paul went there--
Act 15:1 And certain men which came down from Judaea taught the brethren, and said, Except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses, ye cannot be saved.
Act 15:2 When therefore Paul and Barnabas had no small dissension and disputation with them, they determined that Paul and Barnabas, and certain other of them, should go up to Jerusalem unto the apostles and elders about this question.
Thank you for conceding the debate.
But I know that somehow, in your mind, you've done the opposite. :bang:
You'll never understand any of this by making such arguments. You are arguing argainst the existence of color from within a blind mans world.Pauls ministry was identical which is why the scripture says--
Gal 1:23 But they had heard only, That he which persecuted us in times past now preacheth the faith which once he destroyed. Gal 1:24 And they glorified God in me.
Do you really believe that the risen Lord taught the 12 Apostles a different gospel to that which He taught Paul?
If you do, and you do then you believe the 12 Apostles are cursed.
My point is not to suggesting that you're blind, although you are to these ideas, it is simply to point out that saying that you are basically arguing that my paradigm makes no sense from within your paradigm paradigm. That just isn't a rational argument!
Just think it through what your point here suggests for a second. You are implying that Jesus (God Himself) came down and spent three years training His apostles and teaching them what to believe and how to teach others. He then told them to go into the whole world preaching everything that He had taught them (He taught them to follow the Law, by the way) and gave to them all authority to act in His absence. They appointed a new apostle to replace Judas who God endorsed directly by indwelling all twelve with the Holy Sprit on the Day of Pentecost (a Jewish feast day - by the way). They then proceed to do as instructed and some time later (probably about a year) God realized twelve wasn't enough and that there was a thirteenth apostle needed and so rather than sending Saul to the Twelve (or the Twelve to him) and have him accept the gospel the old fashioned way (by hearing the word of God preached) and then to have the Twelve make him an apostle, which He had given them the authority to do, He decided instead to come down and covert Saul miraculously and in Person on the Domascus Road and then reveal to the gospel to him by direct divine revelation.
That's what you're implying!
And yet you also maintain that there was nothing special about Paul or his ministry except the he went to the gentiles. That makes no sense even from within your own paradigm.
I'm not going to address the point about the other apostles being cursed accept to say that it isn't true and that such an objection only makes sense from within your own paradigm. You are effectively begging the question but I don't have near the time it would take to untangle that knot.
Just how many apostles do think there were?Pauls ministry is evidence that all may receive the same revelation from Heaven, and that all apostles since were taught the same way, and also lived and were/are persecuted the same also.
He wasn't just seperating himself, he was treating them as unclean, he was following the Mosaic Law, LA.Paul never got in Peters face except concerning his separating himself from the Gentile brethren, to eat with the Jewish brethren.
This discussion is going rather well. Don't screw it up by saying stupid things.Something you Madists still try to do in promoting a difference which God does not recognize.
LA
Resting in Him,
Clete