Is Faith Without Works Dead?

[Bladerunner]

This passage speaks of 'Faith without Works' is a faith that will not get one justified.' Rather only a true faith where good works are evident can one be seen as being justified. Too many in this world claim their faith in Jesus Christ but their works or lack-there-of gives them away as being 'justified in name only'

evidently we are also in agreement....that faith alone is needed for justification. Yet according to James and other scripture, Good Word is required after ones Justification, a walk toward righteousness.

Have a good sir.

 

[Right Divider]

Agreed, yet He does required good works after justification....we are on the same side!

False, good works are a result but not a requirement.

We both agree. so what is your beef?

You're repeating falsehoods.

why are you so angry?

I'm not angry.

why do you 'a saved person'
(supposedly) call out people and tell them they are not saved..or is that part of your theology?

If you believe that works are a requirement... you are confused and repeating falsehoods.

we are on the same side....Faith without works, yet Works after justification is required.

You cannot find that in the Bible.

Good works should most definitely follow salvation, but to claim that they are required is FALSE.

 

[Right Divider]

evidently we are also in agreement....that faith alone is needed for justification. Yet according to James and other scripture, Good Word is required after ones Justification,

You can find no scripture to support that FALSE claim.

a walk toward righteousness.

Bordering on blaspheme.

Doing good works does NOT make one righteous or more righteous, or any such thing.

 

[Bladerunner]

False, good works are a result but not a requirement.

If not, then why doe GOD's word tell us that faith without works is no faith at all....It is important, better get it right?

You're repeating falsehoods.

so you say, yet, the only thing we don;t agree on this subject is the 'requirement part'.where is the falsehood?

I'm not angry.

If you believe that works are a requirement... you are confused and repeating falsehoods.

You cannot find that in the Bible.

we just did..Jas 2:20.."But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead? Now if you are going to say, it does not say it is a requirement, I will remind you that are many ways to make it a requirement without ever saying that word.....the verse above is one.....

Good works should most definitely follow salvation, but to claim that they are required is FALSE.

I guess you and I read scripture differently. Sad "we just did..Jas 2:20.."But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?"

 

[Bladerunner]

You can find no scripture to support that FALSE claim.

Bordering on blaspheme.

Doing good works does NOT make one righteous or more righteous, or any such thing.

It did for Abraham.....because He had faith/believed in GOD and because of His works after his justification, He was called righteous. see Jas 2:21-22.

You see, you try to separate the OT salvation from the NT salvation. It is by the mercy of GOD that salvation is granted and by His Grace and Mercy through all the ages, Faith/belief in Him has been a pillar of stone..God does not need the works of a man to grant his salvation but rather his belief that GOD is sovereign and knows better the WAY.

 

[JudgeRightly]

yet He does required good works after justification....

No, He does not.

we are on the same side!

False.

Faith without works, yet Works after justification is required.

Wrong.

"No works" means no works. Period. "By grace through faith."

If someone is on their death-bed, and places his trust in Christ, and then dies immediately after, your position would mean he went to hell because He had no works after He was justified.

"Requirement" implies there is a law he must keep.

A member of the body of Christ is no longer under the law when he becomes one.

He lives by faith, not by keeping a law.

 

[JudgeRightly]

If not, then why doe GOD's word tell us that faith without works is no faith at all....It is important, better get it right?

It doesn't. You fail to rightly divide.

It's not telling US (members of the Body of Christ) "faith without works is dead."

You're reading someone else's mail, thinking it's addressed to you.

It's telling a future generation of Israel "faith without works is dead."

Not the Body of Christ.

It did for Abraham.....because He had faith/believed in GOD and because of His works after his justification, He was called righteous. see Jas 2:21-22.

Abraham was righteous BEFORE he did any works. See Romans 4. Yes, the entire chapter.

You see, you try to separate the OT salvation from the NT salvation.

No such things.

There is the Old Covenant, the New Covenant, and the dispensation of grace.

The Old and New Covenants are both made between the same two parties, God and Israel.

The dispensation of grace is not a covenant (though, it can be compared to one) in and of itself. It was given to Paul who was told to go to the Gentiles, NOT Israel.

It is by the mercy of GOD that salvation is granted and by His Grace and Mercy through all the ages, Faith/belief in Him has been a pillar of stone..

Okay?

God does not need the works of a man to grant his salvation but rather his belief that GOD is sovereign and knows better the WAY.

Not found in scripture.

 

[Bladerunner]

No, He does not.



False.



Wrong.

"No works" means no works. Period. "By grace through faith."

If someone is on their death-bed, and places his trust in Christ, and then dies immediately after, your position would mean he went to hell because He had no works after He was justified.

"Requirement" implies there is a law he must keep.

A member of the body of Christ is no longer under the law when he becomes one.

He lives by faith, not by keeping a law.

then according to you, God's word is not worth the paper it is written on. We will have to disagree on this part....faith without good works is a dead faith.simple as that.

 

[Bladerunner]

It doesn't. You fail to rightly divide.

It's not telling US (members of the Body of Christ) "faith without works is dead."

You're reading someone else's mail, thinking it's addressed to you.

It's telling a future generation of Israel "faith without works is dead."

Not the Body of Christ.

Ok, then John 3:16 is under your same assumptions. they are not for the gentiles but only for the Jews.

Abraham was righteous BEFORE he did any works. See Romans 4. Yes, the entire chapter.

Yes, Abraham was righteous long before he almost slew his son, Isaac. This part was the works that God required Him to do...For this obedience, Abraham's faith is God was confirmed.

No such things.

There is the Old Covenant, the New Covenant, and the dispensation of grace.

The Old and New Covenants are both made between the same two parties, God and Israel.

And the Gentiles who believe have inherited them according to God.

The dispensation of grace is not a covenant (though, it can be compared to one) in and of itself. It was given to Paul who was told to go to the Gentiles, NOT Israel.

That is not true..Paul is told to go first to the Jews and then the Gentiles.

Okay?
God does not need the works of a man to grant his salvation but rather his belief that GOD is sovereign and knows better the WAY.

I have not said that....example....there are two sets of people, both claim they are Christian...Now, the definition of a Christian is they have received salvation....Yet, according to their works , one can tell many are in name only while others are true Christians. While any good works is not written as required, God tells us In Jas 2 that "that faith without works is dead" and if faith is dead, so is the salvation that goes with faith.

Not found in scripture.

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