musterion
Well-known member
How was the poll question phrased?
Indiana Pizza Shop 1st to Publicly Say It Would Deny Same-Sex Service
- Thread starter Angel4Truth
- Start date
How was the poll question phrased?
"Businesses should have the right to refuse services to certain people or groups based on religious beliefs."
53.9% disagreed
27.5 agreed
18.6 unsure
"Businesses should not be allowed to discriminate (by refusing services or a job) because of their religious beliefs."
60.3% agree
23.2 disagree
16.5 unsure
"Businesses should have the right not to hire certain people or groups based on the employer’s religious beliefs."
56.2% disagreed
26.5 agreed
17.3% unsure
Appears to get even stronger inside the millenials (18-34) where support for laws combating discrimination along orientation lines is as strong as 65%.
It's a little disturbing that in America, it's less than 70%.
We're not politicians, least of all legislators.
It's because nobody is condoning it.
Exactly!
:thumb:
How are we supposed to know if someone is an adulterer?
Adulterers can't have weddings.
Do you make your protest known?
Well, we're getting there. Baby steps.
Do you think that a caterer is necessarily approving and celebrating any and all marriages they cater for?
But that's not a good analogy, as Angel has already pointed out. If BB&B made special sheets for a Klan rally at their request then it wouldn't be as easy to say they aren't supporting it.
It also doesn't necessarily mean that you are. But there is at least the question of why would someone give practical support and profit from something they are against.
Yes - you are, the legal authorities in china force abortions and limit children. Do you believe God would have them doing that?
Your argument about the legal authorities is a bad one, we are not to follow a man made law when it trumps what God would have us do.
In particular singular people, not necessarily, but overall premise then, yes.
rougueone
New member
Going public to deny service has proven profitable those who do. About $ 100,000 in a month for a bakery shop. let's see how the pizza shop does.
Look taking a stand for Jesus comes at a price. Not a profit. Eventually the Government will revoke or deny a business licence to those who refuse service to anyone of the LGBT ( an initialism that stands for lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender people ). And may make it a criminal offence. Civil lawsuits may start. Then the local churches may also be held civilly or criminally accountable.
I ask how many of these people asked before they sold a dozen donuts to the customer, " are you a homosexual" ? When we shop do we ask the check out person are you a homosexual" ? If they say " Yes", do we walk out with our groceries on the belt ?
If I am asked before I buy groceries, " Are you a sinner"? I say yes. Am I to be denied service ?
Look taking a stand for Jesus comes at a price. Not a profit. Eventually the Government will revoke or deny a business licence to those who refuse service to anyone of the LGBT ( an initialism that stands for lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender people ). And may make it a criminal offence. Civil lawsuits may start. Then the local churches may also be held civilly or criminally accountable.
I ask how many of these people asked before they sold a dozen donuts to the customer, " are you a homosexual" ? When we shop do we ask the check out person are you a homosexual" ? If they say " Yes", do we walk out with our groceries on the belt ?
If I am asked before I buy groceries, " Are you a sinner"? I say yes. Am I to be denied service ?
Of course not.
No, the simplified version you're arguing against would be, but we both know that isn't my argument because I've made it and it's different.
Here's the larger answer. I'll highlight the part you overlooked:
Or, I'm not arguing that we have to blindly support Caesar attempting to take what isn't Caesar's, but you haven't made the case that the baker is doing that. You've made the case (or the baker has) that he doesn't like it, which is something else.
Supra.
Why not? Do they have a "Go Klan!" sign in the store? Is there a special "Klan Discount"? Or are they simply behaving the way they would if literally anyone came in to place the order?
Because if the answer to that is yes it's a very good analogy on the point (and I suspect that would be the answer).
The moment you say support you've made a decision you only just said couldn't reasonably be read in, which is rather my point. You need something more and other to know the corporate attitude and pronounce it.
Just so, absent the baker being made to write its support out in the cake, which no one can make them do, there's nothing signified beyond commerce.
rougueone
New member
"....we are not to follow a man made law when it trumps what God would have us do."
What would GOD have us do ? I am a sinner. Should I be denied a pizza ?
nope, and neither did the people in the op deny anyone a pizza, i suggest you read the thread.
should bb&b be allowed, legally, to refuse to sell to klan members who make clear their intention to use the sheets for klan robes?
the us government allows its citizens to murder children
in what way do you defend the us government as "lawful"? :freak:
so you’d have no qualms forcing a jewish bakery to bake a cake for a skinhead celebration that said “all jews into the ovens”?
But you’re willing to embrace retarded ones :think:
some just don't need it
if an adulterer asked a Christian baker to make him a cake celebrating his adultery, you don’t think they’d refuse?