In Bethlehem 2000 years ago

brewmama

brewmama

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This Charming Manc said:
there are layers of subtly here ....

ots mocking the reporting with its right wing media here with its agenda/
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Huh? I'm not sure what you said...

But if you are saying that the OP is mocking right wing (valid) concerns about refugees and immigrants, I would of course agree. There is certainly an agenda there, as there was when Obama and others falsely said...

"President Obama was on the road quoting the Bible again. This time he was equating Mary and Joseph to illegal aliens and strangers.
Liberals love to quote the Bible when it suits them. They denounce the Bible because of its very clear stand against same-sex sexuality, but claim that it teaches a form of economic socialism, and in that case, we should follow it.
Every Christmas season, liberals make some socialistic appeal to Scripture in an attempt to support their arguments for bigger government.
Jesse Jackson and Hillary Clinton claimed that the Christmas story was about a “homeless couple.”
In 1999, Jackson stated that Christmas “is not about parties, for [Mary and Joseph] huddled alone in the cold stable. It isn’t about going into debt to buy extravagant presents; the greatest Gift was given to them although they had no money. It is about a homeless couple, finding their way in a mean time.”1
Barbara Reynolds, a former columnist for USA Today, followed Jackson’s narrative by scolding the “Christian Right” for opposing government welfare programs: “They should recall,” she writes, “that Jesus Christ was born homeless to a teen who was pregnant before she was married.”2
The homeless have now become tragic illegal immigrants who, I suspect, are like the supposed homeless couple Mary and Joseph.
President Obama said as much.
“‘If we’re serious about the Christmas season, now is the time to reflect on those who are strangers in our midst and remember what it was like to be a stranger,’ Obama said during an immigration town hall in Nashville.
“Obama reminded them that the Christmas season was about a ‘soon to be mother’ and ‘a husband of modest means’ who were looking for a place to stay, but there was no room at the inn.’”
Does he ever get this story mixed up, but it’s all for political theater, so what’s the harm? Mary and Joseph weren’t the strangers. They were the citizens. The Romans were the strangers. An oppressive foreign power had occupied their country and oppressed its citizens with taxes. The Romans even enlisted Jewish citizens to collect the taxes for them, for example, Matthew (Matt. 9:9-10; 10:3; Mark 2:14) and Zacchaeus, a “chief tax collector” (Luke 19:1-10).

Read more at http://godfatherpolitics.com/19035/obama-says-christmas-story-illegal-aliens/#LD626KjDS1ps6ypj.99
 
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Greg Jennings

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brewmama said:
You are totally missing the point, since we aren't even talking about Christ, but Joseph and Mary. So that's 2 points you missed. And that is purely a made-up interpretation by you, which has nothing to do with what I said.
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I think I've had more productive (and certainly less combative) conversations with walls than I have when I try to talk to you. Trying to illustrate a point to you is like pulling your teeth.....all of them.

For some reason your immediate, knee-jerk reaction to everything is to take great offense. I hope that attitude serves you well in life, but I doubt it will
 
brewmama

brewmama

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Greg Jennings said:
I think I've had more productive (and certainly less combative) conversations with walls than I have when I try to talk to you. Trying to illustrate a point to you is like pulling your teeth.....all of them.

For some reason your immediate, knee-jerk reaction to everything is to take great offense. I hope that attitude serves you well in life, but I doubt it will
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Wow. Now I wonder if you can actually read. You consistently misrepresent everything I say, and get pretty much everything wrong. And I am in no way upset. Your "illustrating a point" was a fail, and you are the one unable to hear it. Meanwhile you continue, either purposely or ignorantly, to change the subject and miss the point.
 
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Greg Jennings

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brewmama said:
Wow. Now I wonder if you can actually read. You consistently misrepresent everything I say, and get pretty much everything wrong. And I am in no way upset. Your "illustrating a point" was a fail, and you are the one unable to hear it. Meanwhile you continue, either purposely or ignorantly, to change the subject and miss the point.
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Simply baffled by you. Your mind goes to places that a sane, non-paranoid person's just doesn't. If you don't want to hear a point, that's well within your rights. But it doesn't look very good on you or anyone else. It makes you look closed-minded and somewhat petulant. However, you seem quite comfortable in the little world you've created for yourself, and I'll leave you to your own devices. Merry Christmas to a truly lovely conversation companion
 
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chair

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Jesus wasn't born in Bethlehem. He was from the Galilee. The Bethlehem story is needed to tie him into the Davidic line and make his being the Messiah more legit.

But it is a nice legend. Especially the three wise men. A nice touch.
 
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chair said:
Jesus wasn't born in Bethlehem. He was from the Galilee. The Bethlehem story is needed to tie him into the Davidic line and make his being the Messiah more legit.

But it is a nice legend. Especially the three wise men. A nice touch.
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There will come a day when your knee will bow, & your tongue will confess, that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God....mark it down.

Is. 45:21 Declare ye, and bring it forth; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath showed this from ancient time? who hath declared it of old? have not I, Jehovah? and there is no God else besides me, a just God and a Saviour; there is none besides me.
Is. 45:22 Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth; for I am God, and there is none else.
Is. 45:23 By myself have I sworn, the word is gone forth from my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, that unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.
Is. 45:24 Only in Jehovah, it is said of me, is righteousness and strength; even to him shall men come; and all they that were incensed against him shall be put to shame.
Is. 45:25 In Jehovah shall all the seed of Israel be justified, and shall glory.

Rom. 14:11 For it is written,
As I live, saith the Lord, to me every knee shall bow,
And every tongue shall confess to God.
Rom. 14:12 ¶ So then each one of us shall give account of himself to God.

Phil. 2:9 Wherefore also God highly exalted him, and gave unto him the name which is above every name;
Phil. 2:10 that in the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven and things on earth and things under the earth,
Phil. 2:11 and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
 
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Greg Jennings

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chair said:
Jesus wasn't born in Bethlehem. He was from the Galilee. The Bethlehem story is needed to tie him into the Davidic line and make his being the Messiah more legit.

But it is a nice legend. Especially the three wise men. A nice touch.
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I don't think this is true besides the fact that he was of Galilee. Do you have a citation for me to look at?
 
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