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One cannot legitimately separate Jer 30 from Jer 31.
All of what GOD pronounces through the prophet Jeremiah in these two chapters pertains to the time when GOD will make His New Covenant with the nation of Israel.

Jer 30:1 The word that came to Jeremiah from the LORD, saying,
Jer 30:2 Thus speaketh the LORD God of Israel, saying, Write thee all the words that I have spoken unto thee in a book.
Jer 30:3 For, lo, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will bring again the captivity of my people Israel and Judah, saith the LORD: and I will cause them to return to the land that I gave to their fathers, and they shall possess it.
Jer 30:4 And these are the words that the LORD spake concerning Israel and concerning Judah.
Jer 30:5 For thus saith the LORD; We have heard a voice of trembling, of fear, and not of peace.
Jer 30:6 Ask ye now, and see whether a man doth travail with child? wherefore do I see every man with his hands on his loins, as a woman in travail, and all faces are turned into paleness?
Jer 30:7 Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob's trouble; but he shall be saved out of it.
Jer 30:8 For it shall come to pass in that day, saith the LORD of hosts, that I will break his yoke from off thy neck, and will burst thy bonds, and strangers shall no more serve themselves of him:
Jer 30:9 But they shall serve the LORD their God, and David their king, whom I will raise up unto them.

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NOpe, the NT does not fulfill it that way, and it definitely is fulfilled and at work; it is the mission to the nations, to make them a pleasing aroma to God in the living temple of Christ. Catch up to the NT some day, you are centuries behind.
 
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Tam what are you about? The hanging question is that you are upset with people who say 'did God really say?' and yet you don't think God really said the nation would be decimated in that generation?

DOn't try Steko's deflection. He really wants to talk about something else.
 
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NOpe, the NT does not fulfill it that way, and it definitely is fulfilled and at work; it is the mission to the nations, to make them a pleasing aroma to God in the living temple of Christ. Catch up to the NT some day, you are centuries behind.
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GOD is the one that institutes the new covenant just as He promised.
GOD's promises are unchangeable, so quit changing them, IP.
 
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Tam what are you about? The hanging question is that you are upset with people who say 'did God really say?' and yet you don't think God really said the nation would be decimated in that generation?

DOn't try Steko's deflection. He really wants to talk about something else.
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The hang question that you are upset with scripture saying the new covenant was with the house of Judah and the house of Israel.
You are also upset that the house of Judah and the house of Israel will be united again in a restored earthly kingdom with Christ ruling from the throne of His father David.
You cannot stand the word of GOD, and will go to any length to cause distrust of GOD's sure oath.
All these multiple threads of yours are nothing but your continued proclamation that you do not trust the word of GOD.
 
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Tambora said:
The hang question that you are upset with scripture saying the new covenant was with the house of Judah and the house of Israel.
You are also upset that the house of Judah and the house of Israel will be united again in a restored earthly kingdom with Christ ruling from the throne of His father David.
You cannot stand the word of GOD, and will go to any length to cause distrust of GOD's sure oath.
All these multiple threads of yours are nothing but your continued proclamation that you do not trust the word of GOD.
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There is nothing about that when Heb 9-10 interps Heb 8. there is no concept or background thought that goes that direction. And since there is one Savior, Christ, it applies to all believers. It is your guy's pigheaded assumption that Heb 8 is the ONE PLACE where you are allowed to say there are two gospels, programs, plans, futures, resolutions etc, ad nauseum.

Scripture is not saying it is the reunification of those two, but there is a reunification. That's why you need to answer how the state of Israel was at the last supper, but you cannot. Nor was it mentioned in I Cor 11, nor 2 Cor 3-5. So much for the word 'Scripture'!

Right where the NT is unified on these things, you imagine it to be seriously contorted, divided, fractured. What is that about?

You have not answered 'did God really say that Israel would be destroyed in that generation?' You are now doing 'did IP really ask 'did God really say?''--you can't even be trusted with a conversation.
 
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There is nothing about that when Heb 9-10 interps Heb 8.
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Heb 8 quotes Jer 31 directly with no changes.
Neither Heb or Jer makes any claim that the new covenant was for anyone other than the house of Judah and the house of Israel.
The very two houses that used to be one united and will be united again.
 
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Tambora said:
Heb 8 quotes Jer 31 directly with no changes.
Neither Heb or Jer makes any claim that the new covenant was for anyone other than the house of Judah and the house of Israel.
The very two houses that used to be one united and will be united again.
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Poor IP still cannot figure out how to get saved without wiggling his way into the New Covenant. Thievery.
 
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Tambora said:
Heb 8 quotes Jer 31 directly with no changes.
Neither Heb or Jer makes any claim that the new covenant was for anyone other than the house of Judah and the house of Israel.
The very two houses that used to be one united and will be united again.
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Seriously? do you know who the atonement is for? who needs their sins wiped away? So is Christ going to suffer and enter the true Holy place another time for Gentiles, since the first one was only to get those two houses together?

You have no idea what you are saying and what the picture of the houses meant.

There is no place in what Christ was saying that shows any concern for the two houses thing. This is fracture within fracture, and no surprise, it is a product of out of touch D'ist thinking.

This material in Hebrews is written to people who are seeing the end of their ancestry as they knew it and of their country because the mission of God to all nations, to the ends of the earth, was underway.

You are 180 out of orientation with what the NT is saying, historically, theologically, or as to its mission.
 
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So we see that Tam has not been reading Heb 9-10 10x between posts but is just a robot for D'ism. There is nothing in her summary about 9:15, which is all we need to know about the purpose and scope of the new covenant.

So who are you going to follow? Heb 9 or Tam, STP, RD etc?
 
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So we see that Tam has not been reading Heb 9-10 10x between posts but is just a robot for D'ism. There is nothing in her summary about 9:15, which is all we need to know about the purpose and scope of the new covenant.

So who are you going to follow? Heb 9 or Tam, STP, RD etc?
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We see that no matter how many times IP reads scripture of Heb 8 point blank telling us who the new covenant was made with (house of Judah and house of Israel), IP jumps through mysticism and spiritualization hoops to deny it.
 
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There is nothing mystical about 9:15, which is the organizing purpose of the new covenant. Nonsense to say so.

So apparently, "Israel" and "Judah" aren't just about that in the ordinary sense. The prophecy is about the Jewish people doing the thing they were to be as a destiny; a blessing and light to the nations through the Seed. Those who preached the Gospel to the nations were just that; and those who believed, no matter what race, are unified in that mission.

Get past the picture stage to the reality.
 
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Seriously? do you know who the atonement is for? who needs their sins wiped away? So is Christ going to suffer and enter the true Holy place another time for Gentiles, since the first one was only to get those two houses together?

You have no idea what you are saying and what the picture of the houses meant.

There is no place in what Christ was saying that shows any concern for the two houses thing. This is fracture within fracture, and no surprise, it is a product of out of touch D'ist thinking.

This material in Hebrews is written to people who are seeing the end of their ancestry as they knew it and of their country because the mission of God to all nations, to the ends of the earth, was underway.

You are 180 out of orientation with what the NT is saying, historically, theologically, or as to its mission.
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Translation: unbelief
 
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There is nothing mystical about 9:15, which is the organizing purpose of the new covenant. Nonsense to say so.

So apparently, "Israel" and "Judah" aren't just about that in the ordinary sense. The prophecy is about the Jewish people doing the thing they were to be as a destiny; a blessing and light to the nations through the Seed. Those who preached the Gospel to the nations were just that; and those who believed, no matter what race, are unified in that mission.

Get past the picture stage to the reality.
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