I never talk to Jesus or the Holy Spirit

[glorydaz]

I am not convinced that you understand what is meant by "endureth to the end." Does that mean "remaining sinless until the end?" I see no justification for such an interpretation.

No, it means not doing what their fathers had done before.

Acts 7:38-40 This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him in the mount Sina, and with our fathers: who received the lively oracles to give unto us: To whom our fathers would not obey, but thrust him from them, and in their hearts turned back again into Egypt, Saying unto Aaron, Make us gods to go before us: for as for this Moses, which brought us out of the land of Egypt, we wot not what is become of him.

 

[Hoping]

"Have no sin" refers to the present. "Had no sin" refers to the past.

Yes it does, and verse 10 says "have not sinned".
No definite time line is made.

 

[marke]

Really, in spite of the flames above the heads of the disciples on the day of Pentecost and their ability to speak foreign languages?
How many times did a piece of Paul]s clothing heal the recipient of said clothing? (Acts 19:12)
That wasn't a sign?
Where did Jesus say no signs would be given to modern sinners?

Paul did preach to Jews and God did perform miracles through Paul's preaching, but special miracles were no longer evidenced in preachers after the Bible was completed.

1 Corinthians 13
8 Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.

9 For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.

10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.

11 When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.

 

[marke]

No, it means not doing what their fathers had done before.

Acts 7:38-40 This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him in the mount Sina, and with our fathers: who received the lively oracles to give unto us: To whom our fathers would not obey, but thrust him from them, and in their hearts turned back again into Egypt, Saying unto Aaron, Make us gods to go before us: for as for this Moses, which brought us out of the land of Egypt, we wot not what is become of him.

What things their fathers had done? Offering sacrifices to idols? Slapping the wife for mouthing off? Skipping work to go fishing?

 

[marke]

I'm sorry you can't see it.
Why can't a man who has had all his sins washed away by the blood of Christ, (V7), say has has no sin, (v8)?
The conflict there can only be resolved with the alternating verse system.
The same alternating verse system Paul uses in Rom 8 to juxtapose those who walk in the flesh from those who walk in the Spirit.

How is it true that if you fail to keep your eyes on Jesus you will fulfill the lust of the flesh if you supposedly do not have any lusts any more now that you have been made sinlessly perfect?

Galatians 5:17
For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.

 

[glorydaz]

Any sin.

Yes.

The Jews had the atonements of the Law for their sins.
After Peter received the gift of the Holy Ghost, his Jewish faith became a Christian's faith.
He himself described how a man should turn from sin, repentance, and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of their past sins. (Acts 2:38)
Salvation will be acquired when we know our names are in the book of life on the last day.

You're talking about the KINGDOM Gospel for the Kingdom on Earth.
The faith required of Peter and the rest of the Kingdom believers was that Jesus Christ, the Son of God was the MESSIAH.

Every single one of those acts in red are NOT for the body of Christ, who are saved by faith ALONE.

You are preaching a gospel that cannot SAVE and will not save anyone today.

 

[marke]

Any sin.

Yes.

The Jews had the atonements of the Law for their sins.
After Peter received the gift of the Holy Ghost, his Jewish faith became a Christian's faith.
He himself described how a man should turn from sin, repentance, and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of their past sins. (Acts 2:38)
Salvation will be acquired when we know our names are in the book of life on the last day.

If you fail to obey every law of man and God to the letter does that mean you are not saved? Do you always do those things that please the Father and never do anything that displeases God?

 

[glorydaz]

What things their fathers had done? Offering sacrifices to idols? Slapping the wife for mouthing off? Skipping work to go fishing?

They disobeyed the law and worshiped other gods. You understand, don't you, that the Jews were law keepers, under the law of MOSES.
Why do you think Peter was so astounded that God told him he should enter the house of an UNCLEAN Gentile and eat unclean food? The Jews continued to keep the law after the Lord rose from the dead.

 

[Right Divider]

Why do you think Peter was so astounded that God told him he should enter the house of an UNCLEAN Gentile and eat unclean food?

The gentiles were the unclean food (in the vision that God gave Peter).

The Jews continued to keep the law after the Lord rose from the dead.

And after He ascending into heaven.

Acts 21:18-21 (AKJV/PCE)
(21:18) And the [day] following Paul went in with us unto James; and all the elders were present. (21:19) And when he had saluted them, he declared particularly what things God had wrought among the Gentiles by his ministry. (21:20) And when they heard [it], they glorified the Lord, and said unto him, Thou seest, brother, how many thousands of Jews there are which believe; and they are all zealous of the law: (21:21) And they are informed of thee, that thou teachest all the Jews which are among the Gentiles to forsake Moses, saying that they ought not to circumcise [their] children, neither to walk after the customs.

 

[marke]

They disobeyed the law and worshiped other gods. You understand, don't you, that the Jews were law keepers, under the law of MOSES.
Why do you think Peter was so astounded that God told him he should enter the house of an UNCLEAN Gentile and eat unclean food? The Jews continued to keep the law after the Lord rose from the dead.

Nobody ever kept the law, including Jews. Anyone who thinks the sins of Jews were atoned for by keeping the law is wrong.

 

[marke]

The gentiles were the unclean food (in the vision that God gave Peter).

And after He ascending into heaven.

The Apostle James was a legalist who misunderstood the grace of God more than did Peter in Galatians 2

Galatians 2:10-12

King James Version

10 Only they would that we should remember the poor; the same which I also was forward to do.
11 But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed.
12 For before that certain came from James, he did eat with the Gentiles: but when they were come, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing them which were of the circumcision.​

 

[Right Divider]

The Apostle James was a legalist who misunderstood the grace of God more than did Peter in Galatians 2

You are wrong because of your lack of right division and more.

Also, it was "certain that came from James". It does NOT say that James instructed them or sent them.

Here is what James had to say about THEM:

Acts 15:24 (AKJV/PCE)
(15:24) Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, [Ye must] be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no [such] commandment:

You really need to study up... your current understanding is very confused.

 

[marke]

You are wrong because of your lack of right division and more.

Also, it was "certain that came from James". It does NOT say that James instructed them or sent them.

Here is what James had to say about THEM:

You really need to study up... your current understanding is very confused.

Here is what Paul said before returning to Jerusalem and speaking to James possibly years later:

Galatians 5:4
Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

Romans 10
10 Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved.

2 For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.

3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.

Here is the essence of what James said to Paul: 'Look at all these thousands of Jews who are zealous of the law and have heard that you preach against the law. Do this to show them that what they heard you say about not being under the law was not true - perform this ritual honored by the law to show that you also believe we should obey the law for salvation.'


Acts 21
18 And the day following Paul went in with us unto James; and all the elders were present.

19 And when he had saluted them, he declared particularly what things God had wrought among the Gentiles by his ministry.

20 And when they heard it, they glorified the Lord, and said unto him, Thou seest, brother, how many thousands of Jews there are which believe; and they are all zealous of the law:

21 And they are informed of thee, that thou teachest all the Jews which are among the Gentiles to forsake Moses, saying that they ought not to circumcise their children, neither to walk after the customs.

22 What is it therefore? the multitude must needs come together: for they will hear that thou art come.

23 Do therefore this that we say to thee: We have four men which have a vow on them;

24 Them take, and purify thyself with them, and be at charges with them, that they may shave their heads: and all may know that those things, whereof they were informed concerning thee, are nothing; but that thou thyself also walkest orderly, and keepest the law.

 

[Right Divider]

Here is what Paul said before returning to Jerusalem and speaking to James possibly years later:

Don't IGNORE my post. You were WRONG about James and you should be man enough to admit it.

Galatians 5:4
Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

Romans 10
10 Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved.

2 For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.

Paul is NOT talking about James there. You just continue to compound your ignorance.

3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.

Here is the essence of what James said to Paul: 'Look at all these thousands of Jews who are zealous of the law and have heard that you preach against the law. Do this to show them that what they heard you say about not being under the law was not true - perform this ritual honored by the law to show that you also believe we should obey the law for salvation.'

Note that scripture gives no indication whatsoever that there was anything wrong with them being zealousness for the law.
Note ALSO that nowhere in that passage does it say that James (or anyone else) claims that salvation came by keeping the law.

You are on a wild goose chase.

 

[marke]

Don't IGNORE my post. You were WRONG about James and you should be man enough to admit it.

Paul is NOT talking about James there. You just continue to compound your ignorance.

Note that scripture gives no indication whatsoever that there was anything wrong with them being zealousness for the law.
Note ALSO that nowhere in that passage does it same that James (or anyone else) claims that salvation came by keeping the law.

You are on a wild goose chase.

I have little respect for James for telling Paul to give the false impression to law-worshipping Jews that he did not mean what he said about the law. Paul experienced long resistance from the 'brethren in charge' in Jerusalem who never seemed to discover God's mind about the law.

Galatians 2
2 Then fourteen years after I went up again to Jerusalem with Barnabas, and took Titus with me also.

2 And I went up by revelation, and communicated unto them that gospel which I preach among the Gentiles, but privately to them which were of reputation, lest by any means I should run, or had run, in vain.

3 But neither Titus, who was with me, being a Greek, was compelled to be circumcised:

4 And that because of false brethren unawares brought in, who came in privily to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage:

5 To whom we gave place by subjection, no, not for an hour; that the truth of the gospel might continue with you.

6 But of these who seemed to be somewhat, (whatsoever they were, it maketh no matter to me: God accepteth no man's person for they who seemed to be somewhat in conference added nothing to me:

7 But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;

8 (For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles

9 And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision.

10 Only they would that we should remember the poor; the same which I also was forward to do.

11 But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed.

Peter and the Apostles, whom Paul said seemed to be somewhat, and seemed to be pillars, were still wrong about the law years after the Church was born.

 

[Right Divider]

I have little respect for James for telling Paul to give the false impression to law-worshipping Jews that he did not mean what he said about the law. Paul experienced long resistance from the 'brethren in charge' in Jerusalem who never seemed to discover God's mind about the law.

You are unable to reason logically and honestly. Welcome to my ignore list.

 

[marke]

You are unable to reason logically and honestly. Welcome to my ignore list.

Sorry.

 

[glorydaz]

The gentiles were the unclean food (in the vision that God gave Peter).

Indeed, but it also shows how Peter was under the law concerning anything unclean.

And after He ascending into heaven.

Amen. Very important point, to be sure.

 

[Hoping]

No, it means not doing what their fathers had done before.

Acts 7:38-40 This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him in the mount Sina, and with our fathers: who received the lively oracles to give unto us: To whom our fathers would not obey, but thrust him from them, and in their hearts turned back again into Egypt, Saying unto Aaron, Make us gods to go before us: for as for this Moses, which brought us out of the land of Egypt, we wot not what is become of him.

You don't equate obedience to God with "sinlessness"?
I do.

 

[Hoping]

Paul did preach to Jews and God did perform miracles through Paul's preaching, but special miracles were no longer evidenced in preachers after the Bible was completed.

1 Corinthians 13
8 Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.

9 For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.

10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.

11 When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.

Can you please define the difference between miracles and "special" miracles?
Was Paul's recovery from the stoning he endured a "special" or regular miracle?
How about the earthquake in Thyatira that freed Paul and Silas?
How about the survival of the storm on the way to Rome?

When do you consider the bible "completed"?

The "perfect" which is to come is the Lord Jesus Christ at His second coming.