I generated this answer to Aner's OP, which I encourage those who understand Jesus to be fully God and Fully man to go to and expound on. This is an excellent question!
I used the lineage of Jesus and a reference to the book of John and Colossians to show Jesus's eternal Deity.
I'll add the riddle and see if you pick up on it.
Colossians 1:
For everything was created by Him, in heaven and on earth, the visible and the invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities-- all things have been created through Him and for Him.
------------ So, if all things were created through Jesus in heaven and earth, seen and unseen, wouldn't The Father classify as Unseen in Heaven or seen? If Jesus was Created by the Father, How could the Father be created by Jesus?
And to complicate this for you Jesus wasn't God types, please answer to the following exposition.
Remember the guy that pulled out in the OT and got killed for it? One of Tamar's unfortunate 2 dead husbands didn't want to make a baby and was killed for it by God. He didn't want his legacy to go to Tamar's first Husband, which was his brother.
This is because he was tampering with Devine DNA. Tamar is part of Jesus's direct, biological lineage.
God tended the DNA of His human temple throughout the OT.
Matthew and Luke reveal this with the lineage of Jesus's adoptive, human father, and Mary.
There is much revelation in the tidbits of each person in Jesus's lineage, but the most beautiful part is that He traces back to Eve and by this, to all of us in a direct way. The Spiritual tie is in the essence of God that was breathed into man and passed to Eve through Adams Rib.
The term, "Fully Man", reveals that Jesus physical body was mortal, though His Spirit was different than yours and mine.
He was Fully God, within a Divinely built temple that started being built at Creation. The Gospel was planned before He physically walked amongst us.
John makes it clear that He was the light and life giver. He makes it clear that through Jesus, all things of Heaven and Earth were made.
Since God wasn't created, we know Jesus was God, and thus couldn't have been created.
Back to the core of the matter, Jesus and the Spirit of All shared a genuine Father and Son relationship, yet Jesus clearly states that to have seen Him is to have seen the Father.
The Father is Glory, Spirit and unseeable as we understand seeing, yet Jesus is the physical manifestation of the Father.
However, Jesus was God in Flesh that was mortal and bound to time.
The Father is not bound by time, but sees all time as one.
Jesus could have taken matters into His own hands and worked amongst us as the Father, but instead, he relinquished His authority to the Father.
I'm getting dizzy, so I need a scripture to anchor this in substance:
Philippians 2:
5 Make your own attitude that of Christ Jesus,
6 who, existing in the form of God,
did not consider equality with God
as something to be used for His own advantage.
7 Instead He emptied Himself
by assuming the form of a slave,
taking on the likeness of men.
And when He had come as a man
in His external form,
8 He humbled Himself by becoming obedient
to the point of death—
even to death on a cross.
9 For this reason God highly exalted Him
and gave Him the name
that is above every name,
10 so that at the name of Jesus
every knee will bow—
of those who are in heaven and on earth
and under the earth—
11 and every tongue should confess
that Jesus Christ is Lord,
to the glory of God the Father. (A solid note here is that this verse actually shows the name of YHWH to be Jesus now, all Greek and Hebrew and Aramaic aside...... Jesus being familiar to us and YHWH being familiar, though some know this as JHVH)
.....to go full ADD, Yehoshewa or Joshua is the actual name of Jesus, but through transliteration and time, we accept Jesus/Yeshewa. He knows what we mean anyways. [emoji6]
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Jesus was independent and reliant to the Father through humility.
Thus, He was fully God, but fully a man in the Father's eyes.
Jesus was tempted many times by the Devil and the Pharasees to show His true glory, but instead, He relied on His true Father to do the work of the only begotten Son.
Had He powered up, so to speak, He would have failed His purpose. He instead served God and Man to overthrow the Devils power to condemn mankind through disobedience to the Law.
His mortality was Human. His work of surrender to the Father was Human. His Death was Human, but His very soul and Spirit was God.
He was Perfect in every fashion because His perfection was manifested in surrender and humility.
He gloried the Father and mankind with His Love and Humility.
He never glorified Himself, but only the Father gloried the Son for the Son glorying the Father..
This is what fully man and fully God means.
Sent from my iPad using TOL ~Jesus is the Theology and the Counselor is the Commentary
Sent from my iPad using TOL ~Jesus is the Theology and the Counselor is the Commentary
I used the lineage of Jesus and a reference to the book of John and Colossians to show Jesus's eternal Deity.
I'll add the riddle and see if you pick up on it.
Colossians 1:
For everything was created by Him, in heaven and on earth, the visible and the invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities-- all things have been created through Him and for Him.
------------ So, if all things were created through Jesus in heaven and earth, seen and unseen, wouldn't The Father classify as Unseen in Heaven or seen? If Jesus was Created by the Father, How could the Father be created by Jesus?
And to complicate this for you Jesus wasn't God types, please answer to the following exposition.
Remember the guy that pulled out in the OT and got killed for it? One of Tamar's unfortunate 2 dead husbands didn't want to make a baby and was killed for it by God. He didn't want his legacy to go to Tamar's first Husband, which was his brother.
This is because he was tampering with Devine DNA. Tamar is part of Jesus's direct, biological lineage.
God tended the DNA of His human temple throughout the OT.
Matthew and Luke reveal this with the lineage of Jesus's adoptive, human father, and Mary.
There is much revelation in the tidbits of each person in Jesus's lineage, but the most beautiful part is that He traces back to Eve and by this, to all of us in a direct way. The Spiritual tie is in the essence of God that was breathed into man and passed to Eve through Adams Rib.
The term, "Fully Man", reveals that Jesus physical body was mortal, though His Spirit was different than yours and mine.
He was Fully God, within a Divinely built temple that started being built at Creation. The Gospel was planned before He physically walked amongst us.
John makes it clear that He was the light and life giver. He makes it clear that through Jesus, all things of Heaven and Earth were made.
Since God wasn't created, we know Jesus was God, and thus couldn't have been created.
Back to the core of the matter, Jesus and the Spirit of All shared a genuine Father and Son relationship, yet Jesus clearly states that to have seen Him is to have seen the Father.
The Father is Glory, Spirit and unseeable as we understand seeing, yet Jesus is the physical manifestation of the Father.
However, Jesus was God in Flesh that was mortal and bound to time.
The Father is not bound by time, but sees all time as one.
Jesus could have taken matters into His own hands and worked amongst us as the Father, but instead, he relinquished His authority to the Father.
I'm getting dizzy, so I need a scripture to anchor this in substance:
Philippians 2:
5 Make your own attitude that of Christ Jesus,
6 who, existing in the form of God,
did not consider equality with God
as something to be used for His own advantage.
7 Instead He emptied Himself
by assuming the form of a slave,
taking on the likeness of men.
And when He had come as a man
in His external form,
8 He humbled Himself by becoming obedient
to the point of death—
even to death on a cross.
9 For this reason God highly exalted Him
and gave Him the name
that is above every name,
10 so that at the name of Jesus
every knee will bow—
of those who are in heaven and on earth
and under the earth—
11 and every tongue should confess
that Jesus Christ is Lord,
to the glory of God the Father. (A solid note here is that this verse actually shows the name of YHWH to be Jesus now, all Greek and Hebrew and Aramaic aside...... Jesus being familiar to us and YHWH being familiar, though some know this as JHVH)
.....to go full ADD, Yehoshewa or Joshua is the actual name of Jesus, but through transliteration and time, we accept Jesus/Yeshewa. He knows what we mean anyways. [emoji6]
-------------------
Jesus was independent and reliant to the Father through humility.
Thus, He was fully God, but fully a man in the Father's eyes.
Jesus was tempted many times by the Devil and the Pharasees to show His true glory, but instead, He relied on His true Father to do the work of the only begotten Son.
Had He powered up, so to speak, He would have failed His purpose. He instead served God and Man to overthrow the Devils power to condemn mankind through disobedience to the Law.
His mortality was Human. His work of surrender to the Father was Human. His Death was Human, but His very soul and Spirit was God.
He was Perfect in every fashion because His perfection was manifested in surrender and humility.
He gloried the Father and mankind with His Love and Humility.
He never glorified Himself, but only the Father gloried the Son for the Son glorying the Father..
This is what fully man and fully God means.
Sent from my iPad using TOL ~Jesus is the Theology and the Counselor is the Commentary
Sent from my iPad using TOL ~Jesus is the Theology and the Counselor is the Commentary
