I take the middle position:
Total depravity, unlimited atonement,
Irresistible grace, and eternal security.
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I take the middle position:
Total depravity, unlimited atonement,
Irresistible grace, and eternal security.
'Striving to be godly' is why we need a Savior. Receiving Christ is the most important thing to being a follower of Christ, its letting Him lead instead of you leading.
And yes, we know you are a JW.
Do you believe you will be one of the 144,000 meshak? I know you can see me because you JUST spoke to me in another thread, so your fake act wont cut it.
musterion
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But he does believe in predestination. They won't admit it - okay, hypers will - but believing the entire universe is a foregone conclusion cuts people as much slack as they like when it comes to evangelization, personal witness, prayer, personal sanctification, pretty much everything (that is, if you've first convinced yourself you're Elect). Witnessing to JWs or cussing them off your porch really makes no difference in the end. Heaven or Hell, it's already a done deal and nothing you do or don't do will change their fate. So yeah...in that respect, he's just like B57.
I Am Leaving -
B57 is an border lining on not being saved.
I try and reconcile the destiny of the mass of humanity going to hell. I do not agree that God created them to be damned. I rather see it that Adam caused the damnation of everyone, the elect and non elect.
In this way musterdion I can believe that God was fair when He did His work of planing who He would save because if all were lost then He is not unfair by choosing to save the portion of humanity that is saved because He was not obligated to save anyone at all.
B57 is an border lining on not being saved.
I try and reconcile the destiny of the mass of humanity going to hell. I do not agree that God created them to be damned. I rather see it that Adam caused the damnation of everyone, the elect and non elect.
In this way musterdion I can believe that God was fair when He did His work of planing who He would save because if all were lost then He is not unfair by choosing to save the portion of humanity that is saved because He was not obligated to save anyone at all.
musterion
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You mean NO Christian (not just bully Christians).
Poor Meshak and JWs. Always striving to be perfect, but never makes it. And they can't figure out why that is.
I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess it has something to do with "mainstreamers".
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glorydaz
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Yep....people need to get over themselves. Too much introspection is unhealthy and counter-productive. I call it getting a life. :chuckle:
Yeah. Socrates said the unexamined life isn't worth living, but too little action doesn't leave much worth contemplating. It's always about finding the balance.
Yeah, I found that one time.
