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Why won't you discuss Roman's 15:14?
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God is perfectly capable of saying something in a way we can understand it, and it mean exactly what He is saying.
Meaning, take what scripture says at face value, and stop trying to twist it to make it say what you want it to say.
Scripture says:
Why can't you accept what God says "on our level"?
You're trying to have your cake and eat it too.
Except these verses contradict your position. Your only option is to either say the verses don't mean what they plainly say, or give up your position.
You're not willing to even consider the possibility that your position is wrong, so you do the former.
There is no further discussion to be had with you, because you're not willing to even entertain the possibility of you being wrong.
You're welcome to continue holding your position, of course. No one can prevent you from doing so.
Just know that your position is irrational, and thus indefensible, and you WILL give an account to God one day for why you refused to let sound reason convince you.
Yes, frodo, they do in fact do just that very thing.
That's your doctrine, not God's word.
Yes, actually they do. They state it explicitly! It is only your doctrine that says otherwise.
I believe His Word. God doesn’t contradict His Word. Too bad if you don't believe that.
I thought for a second that you were saying this to me! LOL!!!
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Where does God say this.
We have plain scripture that, word for word, says in different places, God now knows something that He didn’t know before.
You take it upon yourself to say that He actually means the opposite.
Please show in scripture where He says that He speaks “on our level” but really means the opposite? You don’t get to make your own personal view on something without backing it up.
Nope. Should I?
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Yes
Okay, why?
Do you suppose he would agree with my essay on grace?
By the way, when I looked him up, he does seem familiar. I'm pretty sure I've listened to him on occasion but not enough to even have recognized his name when you asked me about him.
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Because he's an excellent MidActs Pauline dispensational teacher.
I would think so.
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Yes we are, but after the Rapture, Israel will be grafted back in.
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You clearly did not even watch the video.
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@xfrodobagginsx This article goes well with this topic: https://theologyonline.com/threads/branches-vs-members.60945/
Such an interpretation is understandable but when looked at more carefully turns out to be incorrect. You really should watch the video.
God will indeed turn back again to Israel but we are not graphed branches of Israel's Olive tree. The analogy is imperfect but essentially, we are not branches, we are the Vine, which is to say that Christ is the Vine and we are identified in Him. We have been crucified in Him and we no longer live but Christ (the Vine) lives His life through us, by faith (Gal. 2:20).
In John, Jesus states...
John 15:5 “I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, bears much fruit; for without Me you can do nothing."
See the difference? With Israel, the individual believer had obligations to do stuff but had to abide in the Vine to do anything. Now, in the Body of Christ, we aren't to do anything (i.e. to acquire, keep, maintain, augment or improve a relationship with God), aside from reckoning ourselves to be dead; to have died in Christ so that Christ can live His life through us. In short, under the law, you do it, under grace, Christ did/does it.
That doesn't mean that God being the vine (or tree) and we being the branches thereof isn't an analogy that works. It works, and it's not heresy to use the analogy per se, but taking the analogy too far certainly can lead to heresy, as can be seen daily on virtually every Christian television network that exists.
The bottom line is that we are NOT Israel, nor are we any part of Israel. Israel's promises were not made to, do not apply to, and cannot be claimed by those in the Body of Christ, nor would anyone who understands the differences between Israel and the Body of Christ want to do so.
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