How To Get To Heaven When You Die

[JudgeRightly]

I disagree that after the church( His body, His Bride) is removed from this Earth, the dispensation of Grace will disappear. For as in the beginning, it is by the Grace of God that mankind is still here. Abraham never formally knew what the laws of Moses were. By the Grace of God is the only thing that salvation comes from. The 'Everlasting Gospel' will be the law from the time after the Rapture to the time of Eternity which includes the millennium to come. During this time, there will be multitudes of those that show their faith in Jesus by losing their heads (literally). For after the Pre-Trib Rapture event happens and it will happen, there will be for a short period of time, no one left on earth above ground or below ground that believes in Jesus Christ..Those that die during this period of time, formally know as the 'tribulation' saints are brought on by the 144,000 Jewish ministers, the Angel (carrying the Everlasting Gospel) and the two witnesses all sent to earth to preach the Everlasting Gospel to those that would come to believe in Jesus Christ during Daniel''s 70th week.

The law is undergirded by grace, but that doesn't mean that only grace will save under the law. You still have to keep the law under the law.

 

[Nick M]

I disagree that after the church( His body, His Bride) is removed from this Earth,

My thought....so what.

51 Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed— 52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

13 But I do not want you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning those who have fallen asleep, lest you sorrow as others who have no hope. 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus. 15 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.

Paul is pretty clear. We go to him. This is not the second coming. He lands on the Mount of Olives. It splits open. You know the prophecy. Or maybe you don't.

3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ,

Again, the departure of the church is before the 70th week, before the man of sin is revealed. We have nothing to do with it.

 

[Nick M]

You still have to keep the law under the law.

Everlasting means everlasting.

 

[Bladerunner]

The law is undergirded by grace, but that doesn't mean that only grace will save under the law. You still have to keep the law under the law.

we meet again.

My thought....so what.

51 Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed— 52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

13 But I do not want you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning those who have fallen asleep, lest you sorrow as others who have no hope. 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus. 15 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.

The gathering together will be in the air..The Rapture is an event in which the Lord never comes back to earth. No one except His own (his Sheep) will hear Him, no one will see Him except His own. and it can happen at ANY time...

Paul is pretty clear. We go to him. This is not the second coming. He lands on the Mount of Olives. It splits open. You know the prophecy. Or maybe you don't.

When Jesus' feet touch both mountains He is officially in the "second Advent" Rem, He will come back to earth. Then after a little while, He rides a white horse from heaven for the main feature, the battle of Armageddon. Rem, the Rapture is an event that will happen. It carries no judgement for those who He carries away have already been judged. This is unlike the second coming where there will a great judgement on the people of the earth, where in one word out of His mouth the Battle of Armageddon will be over for all will no longer be alive. Of course reading Revelation tells us that the church is spoken of around 18 times in the first three chapters. After Rev 4:5 (at the throne room in heaven), there are no mentions of the church still on the earth until chapter 19: 7-10.

3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ,

Again, the departure of the church is before the 70th week, before the man of sin is revealed. We have nothing to do with it.

agree

 

[Bladerunner]

The law is undergirded by grace, but that doesn't mean that only grace will save under the law. You still have to keep the law under the law.

Yes, it does mean that by the Grace of GOD can one be saved. The Laws of Moses all 630 of them are impossible to adheare to by anyone except Jesus Christ. If one remains under the law, they will perish. having said that, those who are true believers will not stray for His laws are installed within that soul and body never to change again. For those who profess to be saved and then beat up their wife or children (example only) are and were not apart of the His Church, His Body, His Bride. They are not of us.

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

My question remains. On what grounds do you associate the events of 70 AD with when the change happened rather than the biblical events that occurred a generation (or so) earlier?

The fact that the Gospel of Grace was given, Israel rejected Christ as a Nation, Israel was scattered into all nations as a result and could no longer perform sacrifices because they were taken out if their land and the Temple was destroyed in 70 AD. Paul said there was no difference between Jew and Gentile under Grace. At the end of his life, Peter referred the Jews to Pauls writings.

Also, several verses referring to the times of the gentiles and how Gid woukd take out if the Gentiles a people for His name. (The Church)

 

[Right Divider]

The fact that the Gospel of Grace was given, Israel rejected Christ as a Nation, Israel was scattered into all nations as a result and could no longer perform sacrifices because they were taken out if their land and the Temple was destroyed in 70 AD. Paul said there was no difference between Jew and Gentile under Grace. At the end of his life, Peter referred the Jews to Pauls writings.

Also, several verses referring to the times of the gentiles and how Gid woukd take out if the Gentiles a people for His name. (The Church)

Like @Clete said, stop repeating your position and SUPPORT it!

All of the things that you mentioned happened long before 70AD.

 

[JudgeRightly]

Yes, it does mean that by the Grace of GOD can one be saved. The Laws of Moses all 630 of them are impossible to adheare to by anyone except Jesus Christ. If one remains under the law, they will perish. having said that, those who are true believers will not stray for His laws are installed within that soul and body never to change again. For those who profess to be saved and then beat up their wife or children (example only) are and were not apart of the His Church, His Body, His Bride. They are not of us.

Completely missed the point.

This is why your theology is flawed.