How the Gospel Works

Robert Pate

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It is important for Christians to know how they are saved. If you know and understand the Gospel you will not be drawn off into false doctrines or religions. The Gospel of Jesus Christ is the guiding light and is the light that lightens every man, John 1:9.

The Gospel is best understood in the background of the Old Testament. The Old Testament is a record of man's sinfulness. From the time that a man is born until he dies he is a sinner. Isaiah brought that out when he wrote,

"We are all as an unclean thing and all of our righteousness are like filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away" Isaiah 64:6.

If you don't see yourself as a sinner you will not understand the Gospel. The Gospel is between God the Father and his Son Jesus Christ. We had no part in it. We are the benefactors of the Gospel. Jesus comes into the world as the new Adam and the new representative of the human race. In our name and on our behalf as our representative, Jesus offers to God the Father a life of perfect obedience according to his Holy Law. It was the life of Jesus that was lived for our justification, Romans 3:26. We had nothing, absolutely nothing to do with that. When Jesus died on the cross for the sins of the world, we died with him, Romans 6:6.

When God accepted Jesus back into heaven all of humanity was accepted in him. This is why John wrote,

"And he is a propitiation for our sins: and not ours only but for the WHOLE WORLD" 1 John 2:2.

Jesus claims to be the savior of the whole world, John 12:47. As far as God is concerned his Son Jesus Christ has victoriously defeated sin, death and the devil, Colossians 2:15. Jesus now sits at the right hand of God as the "King of Kings and the Lord of Lords" Revelation 19:16. Does this mean that everyone is saved? No, this means that salvation has been provided for everyone, Hebrews 2:9, by the doing and the dying of Jesus. Jesus has reconciled us and the world unto God.

"God was in Christ, reconciling us and the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and has committed unto us the word of reconciliation" which is the Gospel, 2 Corinthians 5:18, 19.

Its over, its finished. The work of Christ that was done on the behalf of fallen man is finished. The ball is now in humanities court. This Gospel can be yours by doing nothing more than calling on Christ to save you, Romans 10:13.

All that accept God's offer of reconciliation are perfect and complete "In Christ", Colossians 2:10. When Jesus returns there will be a judgment of unbelievers. All that have rejected God's great free plan of salvation will perish. Their sins will be imputed back to them and they will be condemned, Romans 4:8. To escape the judgment we must be found "In Christ". God must judge sin. If you are not "In Christ" you will perish. This is why Paul wrote,

"That I might be found in him, not having my own righteousness that is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith" Philippians 3:9.
 

Robert Pate

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This is just another feeble attempt at promoting the heresy of universal redemption.

Jesus said, "Few there be that find it" Matthew 7:14.

Unfortunately, you have not found it. You think that you have found it. What you have found is religion.

You refuse to honor God's Son by acknowledging him as the savior of the world, 1 John 2:2. This is indeed very serious and will probably cause you to perish.

The only ones that are going to be saved are those that honor God's Son by their faith in him. I don't see that happening for you.
 

Truster

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Jesus said, "Few there be that find it" Matthew 7:14.

Unfortunately, you have not found it. You think that you have found it. What you have found is religion.

You refuse to honor God's Son by acknowledging him as the savior of the world, 1 John 2:2. This is indeed very serious and will probably cause you to perish.

The only ones that are going to be saved are those that honor God's Son by their faith in him. I don't see that happening for you.

You don't see, period.
 

Epoisses

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This is just another feeble attempt at promoting the heresy of universal redemption.

No it's called unlimited atonement which is the exact opposite of limited atonement. The work of Jesus Christ is only limited by unbelieving Calvinists.
 

Truster

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No it's called unlimited atonement which is the exact opposite of limited atonement. The work of Jesus Christ is only limited by unbelieving Calvinists.

You are walking, talking proof that redemption is targeted and that atonement is limited. Every time you post you give proof to the fact that the energized delusion unto and upon those that do not hold the love of the truth.
 
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Robert Pate

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You are walking, talking proof that redemption is targeted and that atonement is limited. Every time you post you give proof to the fact that the energized delusion unto and upon those that do not hold the love of the truth.


To believe in a limited atonement is to believe that Jesus is a failure and is not Lord. If you don't believe that Jesus is Lord you will die in your sins, John 8:24.
 

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To believe in a limited atonement is to believe that Jesus is a failure and is not Lord.
All evidence to the contrary, of course.

Your view, hypothetical universalism, teaches that:
God gave Jesus Christ to save all men on condition they believe; but God has not elected all men to believe and be saved. This means that God gives Jesus Christ to all men but then takes Him away from some. This view of God's choosing persons comes in to exclude the application of the merits of Christ to a whole class of men. Christ's merits call for faith and justification but God says "No" to His dearly beloved Son. Hypothetical universalism teaches that God is not well-pleased to save all those persons for whom Christ died. This is a distortion of the gospel of free grace.​

Jesus says that His blood is poured out for “many,” not for “all” (Matt. 26:28). His death is not effectual for all people who have ever lived; Christ’s death is effectual only for His people.

Our Lord's atonement was definite, not indefinite; that is, the atonement was for a known, specific amount of persons—John 6:37; John 6:39; John 10:29; John 17:11-12; John 17:9; John 17:22; John 18:9—a great multitude that no man can number from among all the peoples of the world (Rev. 7:9).

Given the definite nature of Our Lord's atonement, it is no wonder Scripture speaks to unconditional choosing of those given to Our Lord:
Deuteronomy 7:6-8, Deuteronomy 10:14-15, Lamentations 5:21, Isaiah 55:11, Amos 3:2, Jeremiah 1:5, Matthew 7:23, Matthew 24:22-24, Matthew 24:31, Luke 12:6-7, John 6:37-39, John 6:44, John 6:65, John 15:16, John 17:19, Acts 2:23, Acts 11:18, Acts 13:48, Acts 17:26, Acts 18:27, Romans 8:28-39, Romans 9:11-16, Romans 11:5, 1 Corinthians 1:26-31, 1 Corinthians 8:3, Ephesians 1:1-14, Ephesians 2:4-10, 1 Thessalonians 1:4-5, 1 Thessalonians 5:9, 2 Thessalonians 2:13-14, Philippians 1:29, Philippians 2:12-13, 1 Timothy 5:21, 2 Timothy 1:9-10, 2 Timothy 2:19, 2 Timothy 2:25, 1 Peter 1:1-2, 1 Peter 1:4-5, 1 Peter 1:20, 2 Peter 1:5-11.​

Your problem, Robert, is that you cannot find a single verse of Scripture that teaches what you claim Scripture teaches as relates to God's selection of a specific number of persons that will be saved at His appointed time per His appointed means:

http://theologyonline.com/showthrea...redestinated&p=4851757&viewfull=1#post4851757

Thanks be to God for that, too.

AMR
 

Robert Pate

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All evidence to the contrary, of course.

Your view, hypothetical universalism, teaches that:
God gave Jesus Christ to save all men on condition they believe; but God has not elected all men to believe and be saved. This means that God gives Jesus Christ to all men but then takes Him away from some. This view of God's choosing persons comes in to exclude the application of the merits of Christ to a whole class of men. Christ's merits call for faith and justification but God says "No" to His dearly beloved Son. Hypothetical universalism teaches that God is not well-pleased to save all those persons for whom Christ died. This is a distortion of the gospel of free grace.​

Jesus says that His blood is poured out for “many,” not for “all” (Matt. 26:28). His death is not effectual for all people who have ever lived; Christ’s death is effectual only for His people.

Our Lord's atonement was definite, not indefinite; that is, the atonement was for a known, specific amount of persons—John 6:37; John 6:39; John 10:29; John 17:11-12; John 17:9; John 17:22; John 18:9—a great multitude that no man can number from among all the peoples of the world (Rev. 7:9).

Given the definite nature of Our Lord's atonement, it is no wonder Scripture speaks to unconditional choosing of those given to Our Lord:
Deuteronomy 7:6-8, Deuteronomy 10:14-15, Lamentations 5:21, Isaiah 55:11, Amos 3:2, Jeremiah 1:5, Matthew 7:23, Matthew 24:22-24, Matthew 24:31, Luke 12:6-7, John 6:37-39, John 6:44, John 6:65, John 15:16, John 17:19, Acts 2:23, Acts 11:18, Acts 13:48, Acts 17:26, Acts 18:27, Romans 8:28-39, Romans 9:11-16, Romans 11:5, 1 Corinthians 1:26-31, 1 Corinthians 8:3, Ephesians 1:1-14, Ephesians 2:4-10, 1 Thessalonians 1:4-5, 1 Thessalonians 5:9, 2 Thessalonians 2:13-14, Philippians 1:29, Philippians 2:12-13, 1 Timothy 5:21, 2 Timothy 1:9-10, 2 Timothy 2:19, 2 Timothy 2:25, 1 Peter 1:1-2, 1 Peter 1:4-5, 1 Peter 1:20, 2 Peter 1:5-11.​

Your problem, Robert, is that you cannot find a single verse of Scripture that teaches what you claim Scripture teaches as relates to God's selection of a specific number of persons that will be saved at His appointed time per His appointed means:

http://theologyonline.com/showthrea...redestinated&p=4851757&viewfull=1#post4851757

Thanks be to God for that, too.

AMR


The only thing your post convinces me of is that you are lost.

Please tell me when you called upon Christ to save you. "Whosoever that shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved" Romans 10:13.

Why do you believe that Calvinism will save you? I resent your idea that God is a tyrant. I also resent your idea that Christ is a failure.
 

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Please tell me when you called upon Christ to save you. "Whosoever that shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved" Romans 10:13.

oversimplification.

"How then shall they call on Him in whom they have not believed? And how shall they believe in Him of whom they have not heard? And how shall they hear without a preacher?" (Romans 10:14)

Too bad you never heard anyone preach God's word.

Romans 10:13 was quoted with regard to ethnicity.
 

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The only thing your post convinces me of is that you are lost.
Robert,

Your response convinces me you have no real answer to the point that Scripture plainly teaches, per Our Lord's own recorded words, a particular number of persons were given to the Lord to be saved. That a number of particular persons were given, a great multitude that no man can number from among all the peoples of the world (Rev. 7:9), necessarily implies there is a number not given to the Lord by God the Father—John 6:37; John 6:39; John 10:29; John 17:11-12; John 17:9; John 17:22; John 18:9.

Explain it for us, Robert. Maybe you will say that the number of persons given to the Lord were but an amorphous collection of persons that will believe, then how do you explain your frequent claim Jesus has atoned for everyone? Clearly the verses before us teach that there is a particular number of persons given to the Lord, for whom the Lord only prays. He plainly states He is not praying for those not given to Him (John 17:9). Apparently Our Lord knows these persons for whom He is praying. Why is He not praying for everyone since you claim He has atoned for everyone?

Try actually digging into the passages offered up in response to your frequent redundant posts and offer up some explanations versus merely quoting Scripture with some winsome boldface as if you have actually explained anything. An opinion offered up without any substantive explanation obliges no one to consider your opinion, for it lacks any truth value. If you are going to hold yourself forth as a teacher, then, please, for the sake of all, teach.

AMR
 
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