There are so many things wrong with hydrological sorting,
As RD said, this is elephant hurling.
it is hard to know where to begin.
Not our problem.
First, of all creatures God created, only 1% are alive today.
Even if this were true, so what?
Did Noah and God do such a poor job that they lost the other 99% in the flood. This would be a huge problem since God clearly instructed Noah
Gen 6:19
"And of
every living thing of all flesh, two of every
sortshalt thou bring into the ark, to keep
them alive with thee; they shall be male and female."
Nope. As RD pointed out, Noah did exactly as God told him to.
Yet somebody dropped the ball and lost 99% of all that ever lived. Who would you blame?
You, for believing that someone is at fault for animals going extinct.
Second and most obvious problem is that if you take all that ever lived and shake them all up, they don't sort into the layers we see in the geologic column.
No one has said that you "shake them up."
Here is what happened:
Or, if you don't have the time to watch a 28 minute video, jump to 7:46.
For instance the light flying dynasours would float on top and be in the top layers with their hollow bones. Yet there they lie, with all their heavy kin like T rex.
Why would they be on top, considering the above portion of the video?
Next obvious problem is that each Paleontological era or epoch
Try taking off the evolutionist/darwinist/anti-Bible lenses you have on for once and take a step back.
The so-called "paleontological era" you speak of is part of the sediments laid down by the flood. As I said above, the WHOLE "geologic column" is the result of the flood, not just parts of it.
had its producers, herbivore and carnivore with top predator and all were of suitable and similar size. A T rex roaming the savannah today with today's mammals would quickly wipe them out. For homework watch Jurassic Park 1-5.
What, you think Jurassic Park is a documentary or something?
Again, lenses, off.
Maybe you remember what God said in Genesis 2 and 9, which shows that all creatures, including humans, prior to the flood, were herbivores. They didn't eat meat. There were no T-Rexes eating all the animals, because they would have been eating plants along with the rest of them.
Homo naledi is a species of
archaic human discovered in 2013 in the
Rising Star Cave,
Cradle of Humankind, South Africa dating to the
Middle Pleistocene 335,000–236,000 years ago. The initial discovery comprises 1,550 specimens, representing 737 different elements, and at least 15 different individuals. Despite this exceptionally high number of specimens, their classification with other
Homo remains unclear.
Neanderthals (
/niˈændərˌtɑːl, neɪ-, -ˌθɑːl/,
[7] also
Homo neanderthalensis or
Homo sapiens neanderthalensis)
[8] are an extinct
species or
subspecies of
archaic humans who lived in
Eurasia until about 40,000 years ago...The 2010
Neanderthal genome project's draft report presented evidence for
interbreeding between Neanderthals and modern humans.
[84][85][86] It possibly occurred 316–219 thousand years ago,
[87] but more likely 100,000 years ago and again 65,000 years ago.
[88]Neanderthals also appear to have interbred with
Denisovans, a different group of archaic humans, in Siberia.
[89][90] Around 1–4% of genomes of
Eurasians,
Australo-Melanesians,
Native Americans, and
North Africans is of Neanderthal ancestry, while the inhabitants of
sub-Saharan Africa have only 0.3% of Neanderthal genes, save possible traces from early Sapiens-to-Neanderthal gene flow and/or more recent back-migration of Eurasians to Africa. In all, about 20% of distinctly Neanderthal gene variants survive today.
From Wikipedia.
Have you ever considered that what Wikipedia is biased against the Bible?
Have you considered that not everything Wikipedia says is truth?
In other words, you do realize that Wikipedia is fallible, right?
To me it's obvious that Adam was never contemporaneous with either Homo naledi or Homo sapiens neanderthalensis.
So what if it's obvious to you?
It's wrong.
Adam was the FIRST man. Neanderthals were his DESCENDANTS. That means they are, by definition, YOUNGER than he is. Adam is about 7.5 thousand years old.
God was experimenting with hominids before 6000 years ago getting it finally right and wiping earth clean with a mass extinction 6000 years ago and recreating earth with Adam and Eve as the first and only hominids to whom salvation was offered.
Where do you even come up with this nonsense?
Have you just completely abandoned the Bible at this point, preferring to believe whatevere the heck you want?
Because NONE of this is supported by the Bible.
No, God didn't "goof."
and repented Himself that He had done so, and wiped them all out, starting again with Noah's family.
This completely misses the point of why God repented.
When was the last time you actually read Genesis from 1:1 to 50:26?
For those of you who say God cannot goof and is omniscient knowing even the future, then here are His own words.
God DID NOT "goof."
No one here in this discussion has asserted anything of the sort, nor have we asserted that God knows the future, or is omniscient, in the classical sense.
Don't shoot the messenger.
Gen 6:6
And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
And WHY did it grieve Him?
Because MAN had become wicked!
Not because God "goofed."
God nearly did what He had done many times before with earth, which was to wipe it clean with a mass extinction,
Unsupported assertion.
laying down another epoch in the geologic column.
Again, the geologic column was, in its entirety, laid down by the global flood of Noah's time. See the video (or portion thereof) above that demonstrates how layers would form in sediments.
But because Noah was pure in his generations,
You don't have any clue as to what that might mean, do you?
You have no idea why such a phrase even exists in the Bible, let alone why God would save Noah because of it.
Yes, He did, He spared Noah and his family because apart from him, humanity had become so wicked and vile that God couldn't stand to look at them anymore, His beautiful creation that was His MASTERPIECE!
Yet at babel man went wrong again but God had promised with a rainbow not to destroy mankind with a flood (or presumably with pestilence, meteors, volcanoes etc).
Yes, and?
The small % of Neanderthal genes in modern humans is not because they mated together, its because God took what he liked from Neanderthals, and put those genes in Adam. None of Adam's kin ever met a Neanderthal.
Wrong. It's because Neanderthals were human.
I tried looking up tidal pumping, and the little I found seems to have no connection with hydrological sorting.
That's because there won't be much on it, because it would absolutely destroy the secular worldview that the flood is what laid down the sediments found in the geologic column.
Many folks watch complicated videos on theology
The video playlist I gave you was not complicated, and even if it was, it wouldn't matter, because sometimes things are more complex than you might like.
and are convinced without being able to explain what they watched simply in a paragraph.
Sorry, but no one can explain an entire theory that is FAR more complex than can fit in a single paragraph. That's why it's written down in a book.
If one cannot explain one's beliefs, but have to refer to a video or book, I am sorry but I don't have the time or interest to watch videos or read complicated books, just to prove someone wrong.
But you'll clearly watch videos and read books and sites that agree with you, as you demonstrate by watching UN's video.
That's called intellectual dishonesty, Vowels. It's called special pleading. It's deliberately ignoring something that is unfavorable to one's own position.
Especially when what I already believe has no obvious holes in my theories that I feel driven to find the missing truth.
A classic case of the Dunning-Kruger effect.
I apologise that giving me homework ended with school.
Whatever that means...
I did watch this video and Hydroplate theory is mostly about water.
Because it's about... gasp! ...a flood! Whodathunkit?
I believe in the Noah flood.
No, you don't. You believe what people who hate the Bible say about the Flood. Huge difference.
The heat and pressure from Hydroplate theory
Then you clearly don't understand the Hydroplate theory well enough to be commenting on it.
The HPT states that the fountains of the great deep were EXTREMELY COLD. In addition, several factors also mitigated any heat that would have been generated. A full list can be found on
https://rsr.org/heat.
would make it difficult for a boat to survive,
Why?
especially if Brown believes the pressure was enough to send rocks into space to hit the moon, form asteroids and the Kuiper belt.
Consider:
You seem to be forgetting that all of that energy being released during the flood was DIRECTED energy, as in, focused in one direction: UP.
So the little I have watched turns me completely off Hydroplate theory as being good science.
That's because you're so brainwashed by secular theories and your own beliefs that you're conditioned to reject anything that makes any ACTUAL sense.
Try again.
My belief is that mountains were much lower pre-flood,
We agree.
and thus it was not hard to cover earth with water,
We agree.
not needing Hydroplate theory to explain where the water came from.
So where DID the water come from?
There was a Noah flood, how it occurred is just detail.
This is a cop out.
"Let's just discard this theory I disagree with, because I don't like it, by claiming 'how it occurred is just detail,' so that I don't have to defend my beliefs while still pushing them."
What a hypocrite!
Clete was right in his post just now. You aren't interested in discussion, in questioning anything. You're too dead-set in your beliefs.
You asked me to prove that 99% of animals which have ever lived are extinct.
"99% of the four billion species that have evolved on Earth are now gone."
https://ourworldindata.org/extinctions
Thus only 1% of life that has ever existed, lived before the flood if Noah did his job which you quoted in Gen 6:22 that he did.
Thus proving my point that most life existed pre-Adam.
This is a nonsequitur.
Just because (if the above is correct, and this is no admission that it is) 99% of all life lived before the flood, doesn't mean that most life existed before Adam.
Adam lived long before the flood, as he was created about 2000 years before the flood, give or take 100 years. Why does most of the life that has ever existed have to have existed before Adam was created?
