jsanford108
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I am only replying what has been said.
I already have military thread.
Would you like to contribute?
Sure. Can you provide a link?
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How do you know you are saved.
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For pete's sake, can ya'll read?
I didn't say Jesus said the words.
John was chosen by the Lord as the one preparing the way.
Why would you think he was teaching them something different from what the Lord wanted him to teach?
None of the disciples ever told any soldier to quit being a soldier.
And rightly so, cause neither did the Lord.
Even for you numskulls that deny Jesus Christ as Lord, you still have to acknowledge that Christ did not go against the will of His Father.
jsanford108
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I am only replying what has been said.
I already have military thread.
Would you like to contribute?
I know you are only replying. I just notice a pattern.
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You did strongly imply that Yeshua said those words and that is why I quoted your post and asked you about it. If you did not mean that Yeshua said those words then why did you not plainly say so until AFTER I told you that you were mistaken in my previous post? It sure looks from here as though you did not even realize your mistake; and now it sure looks from here as though you are not even willing to admit your mistake because of your pride:
You are clearly quoting the words of Yohanan and attributing them to Yeshua.
Here it is within the actual context:
Luke 3:12-16 KJV
12 Then came also publicans to be baptized, and said unto him, Master, what shall we do?
13 And he said unto them, Exact no more than that which is appointed you.
14 And the soldiers likewise demanded of him, saying, And what shall we do? And he said unto them, Do violence to no man, neither accuse any falsely; and be content with your wages.
15 And as the people were in expectation, and all men mused in their hearts of John, whether he were the Christ, or not;
16 John answered, saying unto them all, I indeed baptize you with water; but one mightier than I cometh, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to unloose: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost and with fire:
"What does the Bible say about a Christian serving in the military?"
The Bible contains plenty of information about serving in the military. While many of the Bible’s references to the military are only analogies, several verses directly relate to this question. The Bible does not specifically state whether or not someone should serve in the military. At the same time, Christians can rest assured that being a soldier is highly respected throughout the Scriptures and know that such service is consistent with a biblical worldview.
The first example of military service is found in the Old Testament (Genesis 14), when Abraham's nephew Lot was kidnapped by Chedorlaomer, king of Elam, and his allies. Abraham rallied to Lot's aid by gathering 318 trained men of his household and defeating the Elamites. Here we see armed forces engaged in a noble task—rescuing and protecting the innocent.
Late in its history, the nation of Israel developed a standing army. The sense that God was the Divine Warrior and would protect His people regardless of their military strength may have been a reason why Israel was slow to develop an army. The development of a regular standing army in Israel came only after a strong, centralized political system had been developed by Saul, David, and Solomon. Saul was the first to form a permanent army (1 Samuel 13:2; 24:2; 26:2).
What Saul began, David continued. He increased the army, brought in hired troops from other regions who were loyal to him alone (2 Samuel 15:19-22) and turned over the direct leadership of his armies to a commander-in-chief, Joab. Under David, Israel also became more aggressive in its offensive military policies, absorbing neighboring states like Ammon (2 Samuel 11:1; 1 Chronicles 20:1-3). David established a system of rotating troops with twelve groups of 24,000 men serving one month of the year (1 Chronicles 27). Although Solomon's reign was peaceful, he further expanded the army, adding chariots and horsemen (1 Kings 10:26). The standing army continued (though divided along with the kingdom after the death of Solomon) until 586 B.C., when Israel (Judah) ceased to exist as a political entity.
In the New Testament, Jesus marveled when a Roman centurion (an officer in charge of one hundred soldiers) approached Him. The centurion’s response to Jesus indicated his clear understanding of authority, as well as his faith in Jesus (Matthew 8:5-13). Jesus did not denounce his career. Many centurions mentioned in the New Testament are praised as Christians, God-fearers, and men of good character (Matthew 8:5; 27:54; Mark 15:39-45; Luke 7:2; 23:47; Acts 10:1; 21:32; 28:16).
The places and the titles may have changed, but our armed forces should be just as valued as the centurions of the Bible. The position of soldier was highly respected. For example, Paul describes Epaphroditus, a fellow Christian, as a “fellow soldier” (Philippians 2:25). The Bible also uses military terms to describe being strong in the Lord by putting on the whole armor of God (Ephesians 6:10-20), including the tools of the soldier—helmet, shield, and sword.
Yes, the Bible does address serving in the military, directly and indirectly. The Christian men and women who serve their country with character, dignity, and honor can rest assured that the civic duty they perform is condoned and respected by our sovereign God. Those who honorably serve in the military deserve our respect and gratitude.
(From Gotanswers.org.)
fishrovmen
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2 Timothy 1:9. He HAS saved us and called us.
thanks, good day.
jsanford108
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The issue of debate is the status of salvation. Meshak's stance, (correct me if I am wrong) is that salvation is not attained until death. Opposing positions seem to be that salvation is a current status already achieved.
As for me, for once, I agree with Meshak. How can one know until the moment of death? Several people claim to have "eternal assurance," but their actions speak of people who are carnal (not people here, just examples in the world).
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As for me, for once, I agree with Meshak. How can one know until the moment of death? Several people claim to have "eternal assurance," but their actions speak of people who are carnal (not people here, just examples in the world).
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He who has the Son has life, he who does not have the Son of God does not have life. These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life and that you may continue to believe in the name of the Son of God. (1 John 5:12-13)
Until we receive immortality our eternal life is held in trust by the Son. At our spirit birth our eternal life becomes inherent.
Both positions are true.
jsanford108
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There is a small contradiction. If we cannot "have" it until we die, then that supports the doctrine I stated. Rather than "both."
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We shall not all sleep... (1 Corinthians 15:51)
Those who sleep have already died and will be in the first resurrection. Those who are dead will be in the second resurrection.
Do you not see the difference?
jsanford108
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What difference? I think that passage further demonstrates that salvation is attained/given unto us at death.
Here is a way that I can explain my position: You are walking in the forest. A person tells you that they will save you from falling into a hole later and all you have to do is trust they will do it. You come upon a hole later and are about to fall in, but then the person saves you from falling. Would you say that you were "saved" after talking to them, or when you were falling?
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True, we are given eternal life at death. In fact, we can't even be judged until after we die. So when does judgment begin?
Peter said, "For the time has come for judgment to begin at the house of God, and if it begins with us first, what will be the end of those who do not obey the gospel of God?" (1 Peter 4:17)
musterion
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You have never been more wrong. Our sin was judged and condemned in Him at the cross.
Isaiah 53:5
Prov 20:30
1 Pet 2:24
If sin was not dealt with at the cross, then NO ONE will be saved because,
1 Pet 3:18
Heb 9:26, 28
I find it to be a question that can only be met with an obnoxious answer.
And therefore I do not answer- I don't believe a person who honestly understands God could sit there with a cheeky grin and secure their self by what essentially is technical merit
A simple answer is--
Rom 8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
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musterion
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That's not the proof one is saved. Mormons claim that very verse, as do all cults. Subjective feelings, the true god of the charismatic, proves nothing and can deceive.
The answer is found in WHAT is believed, just as Paul said, Gospel hater.
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