Honoring Old Love vs Medical Tyranny

Rusha

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Let's see them convict him without a rape kit.

He's already been convicted in the minds of many of the people who read this case.

Logical, thinking people see consensual sex meaning that BOTH partners are able to consent. Since one of the partners couldn't even function at at the level of a young child, you are currently arguing for the sake of arguing. No surprise there.
 

Angel4Truth

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http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other...able-to-consent-to-sex/ar-AAawO2C?ocid=HPCDHP

Seems from this developing court case, in some states if you want to be able to continue possessing the right to have sex as an older person, you might have to get cooperation from the medical community. But...
According to your article, its against that states laws to have sex with someone who cannot consent. Period.

They have to follow the law at the nursing home, period.

From your article:
Iowa law defines an act as sexual abuse in the third degree if the two parties are not living together as husband and wife and if one person "is suffering from a mental defect or incapacity which precludes giving consent."

What if you wrote a living will, that, in case of senility, you still consent to sex with your partner unless you orally withdraw that consent?

Irrelevant when it violates the law.

Yes should still mean yes even if you are old.

No yes possible, when one cannot legally consent, see your own article and actually read the whole thing this time, and not just the parts you like.

I think people should try to protect that right.

What right, there was no right under state law. Again read your own article.

Again to refresh your memory (or lack of reading skills)

Iowa law defines an act as sexual abuse in the third degree if the two parties are not living together as husband and wife and if one person "is suffering from a mental defect or incapacity which precludes giving consent."

Get it this time?

People should think it's wonderful that those two elderly love birds still have passion, and it's probably what keeps Donna alive in that cold place.

Now its clear you didnt read your own article, your article said she is dead, and these charges against him werent even filed till after she died.

From your article:

State prosecutors say Henry Rayhons — a long-serving state lawmaker — ignored that message. On Wednesday, he will stand trial for sexually assaulting his wife, who died last August. The charges were filed days after she died.

You didn't read it all did you?


What will happen now - now that her soul mate is taken from her? Why must he spend his last years on earth rotting behind bars for doing what he and his love have always done willingly and joyfully?

You are totally gone. Next time, actually read the entire article YOU post.

As far as your title, old love? They were only married 7 years.

From the first line of your article:
When Henry and Donna Lou Rayhons married seven years ago in their northern Iowa hometown, it was a second chance at love for the devoted couple, both previously widowed.

So for a good part of that 7 years, to be so deteriorated, she was not well taken care of, or she was already ill when they married.

Also hes a voyeuristic pervert: (from YOUR article)

According to court documents, Henry Rayhons entered his wife's room about a week later, pulled the curtains around her bed and a roommate heard noises that suggested sexual activity. As Rayhons left, he dropped undergarments in a laundry basket.

Perv did that with someone else in the room with them. In a hospital.

What a sick freak. And you are defending this? When you didnt even read the article you posted?

Wow.
 

1PeaceMaker

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Or maybe it's a good way to remind people that sexual immorality is far broader topic than just homosexuality.

That's unfortunately an empty delivery on your part. Try answering my reply.

God knows what is in your heart.

That's right. The brain is not the spirit of a man. An old person who acts like a child and has no short term memory is not a child. That is a person who has made choices that position them where they are and at the end of their lives they deserve that recognition, even if they can't tangibly return the favor in the moment.

God gave sex to married couples as a gift to be shared and enjoyed.

Yes. And that is true regardless of whether God also gave that person a short term memory or not. The benefits of sex still hold even if you can't remember what you did 20 minutes later.

How can you share sex with a person who no longer knows who you are?

Because they do still know you if they are spiritual beings and often that knowing is just not coming out in recognizable or familiar ways. I am not old but I mix up nouns. If I accidentally used the wrong name on someone - I do that all the time with my kids.... Doesn't mean I don't know who they are. In fact, two of my kids are confusing like twins, despite being almost 2 years apart. The younger is tall compared to her sister for her age and they look so similar out of the corner of your eye you have to look straight at them not to mix them up sometimes. So young minds are sometimes a little sketchy, and some young adults carry on a marriage despite developing brain damage that hinders new memories from forming.

So I think it's a bit judgy to rely on a test that has nothing to do with judgment in the moment and only tests short term memory.

1PM has not been through the changes that menopause brings.

And that change is different for every woman, you know. Some experience increased libido. Don't stereotype women.

From first hand experience I can guarantee that her attitudes towards sex will change.

My general philosophy and attitude may change, but probably not very much. The experience of sex has spiritual and health benefits for both partners whenever it can reasonably be had in a righteous, loving marriage.
 

Angel4Truth

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Ah, that proves .... nothing. Well, it says something about you.



Had you read the thread you were posting on you might have learned the rape test was negative.

Wow.

And you cant read either, from your wifes article:

A state crime lab found semen stains on Donna Lou Rayhons' quilt and a sheet that matched Henry Rayhons' genetic profile.

So the perv either did have sex with her with a roommate there (like the roommate said) or he masturbated on her quilt and sheets with her there, either way, hes a perv.

Wow.
 

elohiym

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And you cant read either, from your wifes article:

This thread is 22 pages long, genius. Wow.

Look, if you are just here to give your opinion without considering the many opinions and facts presented by others on this thread, that's your choice and I expected nothing more from you.
 

Angel4Truth

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This thread is 22 pages long, genius. Wow.

Look, if you are just here to give your opinion without considering the many opinions and facts presented on this thread, that's your choice and I expected nothing less from you.

I just proved your wife didn't even read what she posted, period.

Why would i need to read all 22 pages to know that and comment on the op? Hint: I wouldnt.

Also, i do believe a discussion forums purpose is for all of us to give our opinion on whats posted. Dont like it, too bad.
 

Rusha

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According to your article, its against that states laws to have sex with someone who cannot consent. Period.

They have to follow the law at the nursing home, period.

From your article:

Irrelevant when it violates the law.

No yes possible, when one cannot legally consent, see your own article and actually read the whole thing this time, and not just the parts you like.

What right, there was no right under state law. Again read your own article.

Again to refresh your memory (or lack of reading skills)

Get it this time?

Now its clear you didnt read your own article, your article said she is dead, and these charges against him werent even filed till after she died.

From your article:

You didn't read it all did you?

You are totally gone. Next time, actually read the entire article YOU post.

As far as your title, old love? They were only married 7 years.

From the first line of your article:

So for a good part of that 7 years, to be so deteriorated, she was not well taken care of, or she was already ill when they married.

Also hes a voyeuristic pervert: (from YOUR article)

Perv did that with someone else in the room with them. In a hospital.

What a sick freak. And you are defending this? When you didnt even read the article you posted?

Wow.

Exactly. As I pointed out previously, there was no honoring, love or medical tyranny.
 

Rusha

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There was no rape. The results of the rape test were negative.

Then there was no arrest or charges filed ... oh wait.

What's interesting is that you wife is STILL arguing for his right to have sex with his wife and arguing that he had her consent.

You two really need to make sure your claims and supportive arguments match. :plain:
 

Angel4Truth

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Did it make you feel good?

yep. Presenting actual facts always makes me feel good.

Only if you just came here to attack and proclaim your ignorant opinion without considering what has been discussed so far. If that was your goal, good job.

Most people start with an op. Your wife clearly didn't know what she was talking about from her own article.

Since the state law defines anyone with mental impairment such as hers - unable to consent, its why hes facing jail time.

My goal was to give my opinion on the op, and so i did, the man is either mentally ill himself, or he raped her, since she couldn't legally consent, period. A rape kit has nothing to do with being able to consent.

Also for the perv to do it again after being asked not to by the place, and to do it with another person in the room = means hes an especially deviant perv, or mentally ill.

Would you have sex with your wife in the same room with other people? Why doesnt this disturb you or her, thats weird.

A state crime lab found semen stains on Donna Lou Rayhons' quilt and a sheet that matched Henry Rayhons' genetic profile.
 

Angel4Truth

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Your imagination.

Keep the conversation rated PG.

Ok, you tell me how it got there since you are saying repeatedly " the rape kit was negative" how else could it have happened?

(his semen on her sheets and quilt in the nursing home)

Its one or the other. You are who is looking like you're nuts right now.
 

elohiym

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Would you have sex with your wife in the same room with other people? Why doesnt this disturb you or her, thats weird.

He didn't have sex but changed his wife's dirty underwear. You pull a curtain closed to that, and not doing so in a shared room would be disturbing. The room mate already changed her story and now claims that she only heard whispering, not "sex noises;" that's likely why she didn't call anyone when the alleged act was taking place. The rape test was negative; no evidence she was penetrated. Only her panties tested positive for seminal fluid, but there was no sperm, which is how false positives are reported on the p30 test the crime lab uses. Female urine can give a false positive.
 

Angel4Truth

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He didn't have sex but changed his wife's dirty underwear. You pull a curtain closed to that, and not doing so in a shared room would be disturbing. The room mate already changed her story and now claims that she only heard whispering, not "sex noises;" that's likely why she didn't call anyone when the alleged act was taking place. The rape test was negative; no evidence she was penetrated. Only her panties tested positive for seminal fluid, but there was no sperm, which is how false positives are reported on the p30 test the crime lab uses. Female urine can give a false positive.

Then thats a yes? You would have sex with your wife with others in the room?

As far as rape kit, once again, you admit his semen in her panties and then this:
A state crime lab found semen stains on Donna Lou Rayhons' quilt and a sheet that matched Henry Rayhons' genetic profile.

Lack of semen could mean he had a vasectomy, but at any rate its clear he had sex with her there. Clear.

Its also clear he was warned against it, and state law prevents the mentally impaired dementia patient to be able to consent, period.

Its really disturbing that you think this is ok. Really disturbing.

I hope you pay attention to this case, in case you get any bright ideas if your wife is ever in a hospital or nursing home with mental issues, cause it looks like you might end up in jail.
 
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