Honoring Old Love vs Medical Tyranny

[Rusha]

Why would you feel sorry for a woman that could get sex whenever she wanted it,

She didn't get to make that decision. Also, there is no dignity in slipping in his "honor of old love" when there areeyes and ears of strangers close by.

HIS decision put her on exhibition.

 

[1PeaceMaker]

She didn't get to make that decision.

Says who?

Also, no is no dignity in slipping in quicky when there are the eyes and ears of strangers close by.

Eyes? (remember the curtain)

Ears? (no sex while camping in tents, I guess)

HIS decision put her on exhibition.

Huh?

Did he put her in that room? No, the daughters and nursing home did it for two publicly revealed reasons. Stopping the marriage bed/sleepovers/privacy and getting another old man into her previous private room, so the home could make more $$.

 

[Rusha]

Says who?

Feel free to show her notarized statement.

 

[1PeaceMaker]

Feel free to show her notarized statement.

So you will do that *without* a notarized statement... but I must have one? Hypocrite.

 

[Rusha]

So you will do that *without* a notarized statement...

No, I wouldn't need one ... because I would not disregard another person's consent.

 

[1PeaceMaker]

No, I wouldn't need one ... because I would not disregard another person's consent.

We are talking about what her life was like before she was taken and blocked by her daughters from having sex or living in her own home and sleeping in her own bed.

Don't let your mind wander now....

 

[1PeaceMaker]

Do you rape your spouse when you have sex with him while he's drunk?

Do you assault your spouse by flirting with him or touching him out of the blue?

 

[Rusha]

We are talking about what her life was like before she was taken

Yes. To be cared for. There were legitimate concerns about the woman's safety and health which you pretend did not exist.

Prior to her death, IF she had wandered out of her room and fallen down a flight of stairs or left the hospital, stumbled into the middle of the road to be run over by a car, who would you blame?

Oh, I know. The hospital. Because she would be THEIR responsibility.
You would INSIST that they be charged with criminal negligence.

In that case, IF she were in her own home and her husband turned his back and she wandered out in the street while in his care and was hit by a car, HE should be charged with criminal negligence.

Someone in her condition needs around the clock supervision. Which is exactly what my maternal grandparents were given as well as my aunt when they were too far gone with the disease to live in their own home.

You have not once even considered that the daughters did this because they were genuinely concerned about the safety and health of their mother.

My focus has been on the woman's declining health and as usual, your focus has been on the husband's desire for sex.

 

[Rusha]

Do you rape your spouse when you have sex with him while he's drunk?

Do you assault your spouse by flirting with him or touching him out of the blue?

:chuckle: Nice reflection, projection, hijack, but no cookie. IF you wish to start a thread with the specific question, by all means do so.

 

[Sitamun]

Yes. To be cared for. There were legitimate concerns about the woman's safety and health which you pretend did not exist.

Prior to her death, IF she had wandered out of her room and fallen down a flight of stairs or left the hospital, stumbled into the middle of the road to be run over by a car, who would you blame?

Oh, I know. The hospital. Because she would be THEIR responsibility.
You would INSIST that they be charged with criminal negligence.

In that case, IF she were in her own home and her husband turned his back and she wandered out in the street while in his care and was hit by a car, HE should be charged with criminal negligence.

Someone in her condition needs around the clock supervision. Which is exactly what my maternal grandparents were given as well as my aunt when they were too far gone with the disease to live in their own home.

You have not once even considered that the daughters did this because they were genuinely concerned about the safety and health of their mother.

My focus has been on the woman's declining health and as usual, your focus has been on the husband's desire for sex.

That seems to be precisely it. It seems that her husband left her alone for hours. Either he was in denial about the diagnosis or didn't fully comprehend it. I have seen a person with Alzheimer's completely aware of everything one second and the next determined that she was late making dinner for her husband and had to get home to Houston (she was in Chicago). She was determined to walk home. Had no one been there, who knows where she would have ended up.

It appears that the husband wanted no caretaker save himself for his wife, and he was not able to provide 24 hour care. What if this woman had been your mother what would you have done?

 

[Rusha]

That seems to be precisely it. It seems that her husband left her alone for hours. Either he was in denial about the diagnosis or didn't fully comprehend it. I have seen a person with Alzheimer's completely aware of everything one second and the next determined that she was late making dinner for her husband and had to get home to Houston (she was in Chicago). She was determined to walk home. Had no one been there, who knows where she would have ended up.

It appears that the husband wanted no caretaker save himself for his wife, and he was not able to provide 24 hour care. What if this woman had been your mother what would you have done?

Yep, that's exactly right. Insofar as my own mother, it wouldn't have happened because my father always put her well being ahead of his own needs.

Though to answer you question, had my father not been taking care of my mother, I would intervene. Same thing if it had been my father who was ill.

It could very well be an instance of the husband not being all together of sound mind. He simply wasn't capable of caring for her.

It was a bad situation, but there was no malice. I haven't read anything that would indicate that the daughters, care facility or witness showed anything other than concern for the woman's well being.

 

[Sitamun]

Sorry Rusha I meant a more general you in that question than specifically you, but I appreciate your answer.

 

[Rusha]

Sorry Rusha I meant a more general you in that question than specifically you, but I appreciate your answer.

:chuckle: Got it.

 

[CabinetMaker]

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other...able-to-consent-to-sex/ar-AAawO2C?ocid=HPCDHP

Seems from this developing court case, in some states if you want to be able to continue possessing the right to have sex as an older person, you might have to get cooperation from the medical community. But...

What if you wrote a living will, that, in case of senility, you still consent to sex with your partner unless you orally withdraw that consent?

This is rather the crux of the case. Given her declined mental capacity, did she have the ability to knowingly consent or not.

Yes should still mean yes even if you are old.

I think people should try to protect that right.

People should think it's wonderful that those two elderly love birds still have passion, and it's probably what keeps Donna alive in that cold place. What will happen now - now that her soul mate is taken from her? Why must he spend his last years on earth rotting behind bars for doing what he and his love have always done willingly and joyfully?

My personal opinion is that he did not honor his wife in this case. No means no and if a person does not posses the wherewithal to understand consent, that is an automatic no. The man will suffer no ill effects from abstaining from sex.

 

[1PeaceMaker]

:chuckle: Nice reflection, projection, hijack, but no cookie. IF you wish to start a thread with the specific question, by all means do so.

I hijacked my own thread? LOL

Ducking and diving doesn't change the nature of the questions. They relate directly to the charges leveled in this case.

 

[Sitamun]

Do you rape your spouse when you have sex with him while he's drunk?

Do you assault your spouse by flirting with him or touching him out of the blue?

Was your spouse able to give consent? If not then yes it is rape in the first case and assault in the second.

 

[1PeaceMaker]

Was your spouse able to give consent?

Does an amorous sleeping spouse who's murmuring and cuddling count as someone giving consent?

How about someone you think is still "with you" because it started out familiarly enough, albeit low key - until he starts snoring? :chuckle: Oops. Does that make you a rapist?

If not then yes it is rape in the first case and assault in the second.

So when you wake up your spouse with kisses and some moves, are you assaulting him? It's not like most people ask their husband each and every time they start a-flirting.

If consent is orally withdrawn and advances are not welcome, that's a different thing altogether. That's not what I'm asking about.

 

[1PeaceMaker]

No, I wouldn't need one ... because I would not disregard another person's consent.

Actually, you did. You did it when you put an arbitrary test given by someone lacking proper qualifications over the heartfelt expressions of the woman that she didn't want to be kept from her husband and commenting specialists who reviewed the case.

 

[1PeaceMaker]

This is rather the crux of the case. Given her declined mental capacity, did she have the ability to knowingly consent or not.


My personal opinion is that he did not honor his wife in this case. No means no and if a person does not posses the wherewithal to understand consent, that is an automatic no. The man will suffer no ill effects from abstaining from sex.

Actually you assume the man is pushing himself.

And you assume that her wishes were not expressed when she married and stayed married for years prior to her being taken from her husband, and repeatedly asked to be returned to him.

She never once complained of abuse, they never found evidence of abuse and she even bragged that her husband really appreciated her magnetism as a woman to her daughter, which her daughter presented to the world in the crassest diary description possible, (now public, thanks to the charges) if you ask me.

 

[1PeaceMaker]

You have not once even considered that the daughters did this because they were genuinely concerned about the safety and health of their mother.

That's because as a daughter I would never treat my mom that way. I would provide round the clock care myself, if needed to keep her in the most healthy, safe environment possible. My mom worked as a nursing aid for the elderly and it broke her heart to see how the other staff abused them and let them get dehydrated. They loved my mother but she couldn't continue with all the garbage going on. So when my great-great aunt was feeble, I was honored to carry her to the toilet, feed her, dress her, wash her bed sheets and blankets daily, listen to her long for the grave, etc, and remind her that we loved her.

My focus has been on the woman's declining health and as usual, your focus has been on the husband's desire for sex.

Only that's not true. You've been ignoring the constant stress she was put through by being put in that horrible home and her longing for her husband. You make the man out to be a mindless animal, not a responsive, caring husband.