BrentonEccles
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I'm Brenton, I'm 18 and I'm here to discuss a new possibility for humanity.
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BrentonEccles
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A resource-based global economy. In such a society, we would use the highest levels of Science and Technology and therefore outgrow our present paralysing social structures.
I represent a social organisation called The Zeitgeist Movement, and we advocate this new social system which is being proposed. We now have over 250,000 members globally and will have reached over 1 million by 2010. Please take a look at our Orientation Guide which is also available (if you'd prefer) in Video format. Additionally, there is the viral documentary Zeitgeist Addendum.
Our social system is falling apart, because the entire structure is monetary-based and so many things are standing against that. The fractional reserve banking policy is what has caused this recession/depression, and then on top of that industry is automating in all sectors like crazy and in the future people wont be able to get jobs (then the entire monetary system will collapse) - this is known as "technological unemployment," if you'd like to know more about that then please see the orientation guide.
I represent a social organisation called The Zeitgeist Movement, and we advocate this new social system which is being proposed. We now have over 250,000 members globally and will have reached over 1 million by 2010. Please take a look at our Orientation Guide which is also available (if you'd prefer) in Video format. Additionally, there is the viral documentary Zeitgeist Addendum.
Our social system is falling apart, because the entire structure is monetary-based and so many things are standing against that. The fractional reserve banking policy is what has caused this recession/depression, and then on top of that industry is automating in all sectors like crazy and in the future people wont be able to get jobs (then the entire monetary system will collapse) - this is known as "technological unemployment," if you'd like to know more about that then please see the orientation guide.
csuguy
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I watched the intro to that video - sounded like a one world government :think:
I knew something would come along to save us
BrentonEccles
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That is a total abstraction. A resource-based economy evolves past the need for a government at all. We want to eliminate all of those harmful social structures.
What it takes to do that is to recognise that our true problems in life are technical, not political. Politicians have absolutely no idea how to solve problems, because all they do is state opinions and give ideas.
With Science and technology we can literally create an abundance for all the worlds people, and that will bring an end to the high stress and destructive behaviour caused by our system.
What will it take to bring this change about? Educate yourself as much as possible about this direction, while also informing as many other people as you can.
When things really start to collapse, hopefully enough people are educated about this direction. This isn't about forming some 'perfect' world or to 'save us all' or something - just to move toward something a lot more ethical and sustainable than what we have.
It certainly isn't perfection, for there is no such thing.
I like your slogan csuguy: "1 John 3:17 If anyone has material possessions and sees his brother in need but has no pity on him, how can the love of God be in him?"
Our movement surely agrees with you.
csuguy
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Because there won't be any crime, sleezy businesses, or people who need protecting? No need for laws to govern the populace?
The problem with this is that you assume all of lifes problems stem from not having enough of what you need. If everyone had everything they needed then they would all be happy and problems would cease to exist. But people are ambitious, people aren't simply goig to stop trying to be rich - nor cease to dream for things beyond their financial means. Not to mention all the sin that arises that has nothing to do with need.
It certainly isn't perfection, for there is no such thing.
I like your slogan csuguy: "1 John 3:17 If anyone has material possessions and sees his brother in need but has no pity on him, how can the love of God be in him?"
Our movement surely agrees with you.
Socialism is certainly more supported than Capitalism biblically. However, I don't believe you can remove governments from the equation as you have suggested - no matter how much you educate others. At "best" you can have a one world government.
DocJohnson
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Not to mention, having a one-world government would require that...
1. all of humanity is in agreement with such government (impossible)
or
2. such a government forces its will upon humanity through totalitarian means (more likely, but certainly not desirable)
BrentonEccles
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"But people are ambitious, people aren't simply goig to stop trying to be rich - nor cease to dream for things beyond their financial means. Not to mention all the sin that arises that has nothing to do with need."
They absolutely are, and their ambitions would flourish without a monetary system there would be nothing to hold it back.
And the basis for negative ambitions such as power and war would simply not exist.
What we're asking for is certainly not a one world government. Please, if you wish to assume that, do some more research on this direction.
They absolutely are, and their ambitions would flourish without a monetary system there would be nothing to hold it back.
And the basis for negative ambitions such as power and war would simply not exist.
No, you only need those things where things are uneven. If everyone on earth has equal rights, then you don't need a declaration of human rights.
What we're asking for is certainly not a one world government. Please, if you wish to assume that, do some more research on this direction.
Then you need a government of some sort to protect those rights or everyone won't have them. And that government will have to declare what those rights are so everyone knows.
If not one world government protecting those same rights that "everyone on earth" has, then those rights won't be universally protected and everyone one earth won't have them.
So you must either have one world government or accept that not all governments will have and protect the same set of rights for all.
Understand, I'm not advocating a one world government at all. I'm just saying you'd need one for what you're proposing. I happen to think that's too high a price to pay for what you're proposing.
I've read six pages of material and sat through almost ten minutes of the documentary. Still all I've read and seen is about how money is bad and how we should make the abundant this and that available to everyone. I have no idea how you intend to do that.
What exactly do you want to do?
What exactly do you want to do?
csuguy
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You have too much faith in people. Just because you give everyone what they need and make sure everyone has equal rights isn't going to solve the problem of evil. People always want more. Further, many sins aren't rooted in greed/need of material possesions. For example: pedophiles, rapists, etc. People will continue to make deals - and the contracts will need a government to force people to stay true to the contracts. Its just not realistic to imagine that people will suddenly become good if their material needs are met.
BrentonEccles
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We wouldn't need a one world government, but the world would have to declare all it's resources as the common heritage of all people - rather than monopolistic corporations dominating them like we do today.
Well you see, because cybernated systems (and technology) would monitor the Earth and produce abundance (but not monitor people) you wouldn't need politicians. Rather you'd have technicians who maintain the machines, work together to innovate, etc,.
Rights would not need the degree of protection they require today, if access to resources was evenly distributed. You don't fight over a loaf of bread when there are 1000's of other loaves available.
Ah, well you see psychologists would disagree with the idea that there's inherent evil. In other words, a persons behaviour is determined by the environment. Bankers are greedy because banking is greedy, etc,.
People are not born pedophiles, murderers and rapists. They pick that sort of stuff up in their environment.
Technology is advanced enough today for us to do it. For example, we don't even have to use dirt to farm anymore because we can use hydroponics. It's pretty clear to see that our culture is now producing to much abundance, and this is why farmers are being "taxed out" of being able to produce because if they produce too much things become unprofitable.
Another example is that the U.N. has admitted that there is more than enough water on earth for everyone, but that seperatist political dogmas make it impossible to distribute it properly and therefore there's imbalance.
It's good that you're investigating it with a healthy dose of skepticism, though.
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