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This goes very well with this:
Luk 19:12 KJV He said therefore, A certain nobleman went into a far country to receive for himself a kingdom, and to return.
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Luk 19:12 KJV He said therefore, A certain nobleman went into a far country to receive for himself a kingdom, and to return.
Yeppers.
iamaberean
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Jesus is King and to the children of Israel is where he sent his disciples.
Mat 10:5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:
Mat 10:6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Mat 10:7 And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.
Mat 15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
It is not the land of Israel that he sent his disciples, it was to the lost tribes that had been scattered.
We, as Christians, also know Jesus as the King, and we are his children. Did you ever sing the church hymn, "we are the child of the king, his royal blood flows through our veins".
Freedm
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Interesting analogy, but let me ask you this. When in the timeline do you believe that death will be put under his feet?
He's not yet ruling as king of the children of Israel.
George Affleck
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John 19:21KJV
When there is no more death.
Is not ruling over the children of Israel on the throne of David yet.
He is presently ruling on His heavenly Father's throne, but not yet on His earthly father's throne (David's throne).
George Affleck
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I understand your interpretation. I just don't agree.
The new covenant has not happened yet as it specifies that Israel will be united once again in their own land in peace and safety never to be uprooted again.
Hasn't happened yet, but it will.
Freedm
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Yes, but when is that? When do you think there will be no more death in relation to other events in scripture?
Freedm
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You don't suppose that prophecy could be referring to the new earth?
Freedm
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The next time Jesus comes to earth it will be the new earth.
Acts 3:21
Heaven must receive him until the time comes for God to restore everything, as he promised long ago through his holy prophets.
The only time everything is restored is when God creates a new heaven and a new earth, and Acts 3:21 clearly states that Jesus will stay in heaven until that time.
George Affleck
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Romans 2:28-29KJV
Phil 3:3KJV
Galatians 3:29KJV
The only way for the Jews to "be united once again in their own land in peace and safety never to be uprooted again" is to be reconciled to God by grace through faith. Jewish believers, and we, together constitute the spiritual theocracy of which Jesus is already King.
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You are forcing your interpretation on the Bible and not listening to ALL that it has to say.
This scripture describes the moment that Jesus returns to the earth and it's well before the new heaven and new earth.
Zec 14:1-4 KJV Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee. (2) For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city. (3) Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle. (4) And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
Act 1:6-12 KJV When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel? (7) And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power. (8) But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth. (9) And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight. (10) And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel; (11) Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven. (12) Then returned they unto Jerusalem from the mount called Olivet, which is from Jerusalem a sabbath day's journey.
Mar 13:24-27 KJV But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, (25) And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken. (26) And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory. (27) And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.
Jerry Shugart
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Then why will He sit upon a throne when he returns to the earth?:
"When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory" (Mt.25:31).
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Failure to rightly divide leads to just exactly this sort of confusion.
Nang
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There is only one people of God. O.T. Israel was a type of the N.T. church that is made up of individuals out of every nation that have been justified by faith in Jesus Christ.
He is King.
He has ratified the New Covenant with His blood.
All things spoken by the patriarchs and prophets, have been fulfilled in His life, death, resurrection, and Person.
Freedm
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"coming in the clouds" is symbolic language that denotes power and authority. It's not literal.
Freedm
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Your example is a parable, which speaks of the great white throne judgment and because it's a parable we should be careful not to take things too literally.
Regarding the great white throne judgment, Revelation 20:11 says that when Jesus prepares to judge, the earth and the heavens "fled from his presence". Now I don't know if that's merely symbolic for "nothing else matters when Jesus comes into the room" or if it literally means that heaven and earth disappeared. The point is, this could be an indication that the great white throne judgment (as in your example) does not take place on earth.
What do you think is meant by "the earth and the heavens fled from his presence"?
Either way, when we inherit the new earth Jesus will sit on a throne, but not the king's throne. We know this because prior to inheriting the new earth Jesus hands over the kingdom to God the father. In other words, he abdicates his kingship.
1 Corinthians 15:24
Then the end will come, when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father after he has destroyed all dominion, authority and power.