Has the Church Replaced Israel ?

beloved57

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The Church, the Body of Christ Israel, has always been those individuals God foreknew in the purpose of Christ Rom 11:2

2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel saying,

The same people Paul speaks of here as referring to the Church the Body of Christ Rom 8:29

29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

And these are the ones it is promised Jesus shall save from their sins , His People Matt 1:21

21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins.
 
Nanja

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beloved57 said:
The Church, the Body of Christ Israel, has always been those individuals God foreknew in the purpose of Christ Rom 11:2

2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel saying,

The same people Paul speaks of here as referring to the Church the Body of Christ Rom 8:29

29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

And these are the ones it is promised Jesus shall save from their sins , His People Matt 1:21

21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins.
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Exactly Brother !
 
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beloved57 said:
Rom 9:6

6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:

No, The Church has always been Israel, but not Israel after the flesh, or the physical nation of Israel See within the physical nation of Israel was always a remnant according to the election of Grace, which is also Israel. Now under the Old Covenant Spiritual Israel, the Body of Christ was mostly comprised of saved jewish Christians. They would usually be persecuted by the non christian jews in the nation Matt 5:12


Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets[Believers in Crist] which were before you.

Lk 13:34


O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, which killest the prophets, and stonest them that are sent unto thee; how often would I have gathered thy children together, as a hen doth gather her brood under her wings, and ye would not!

Now under the New Covenant, Body of Christ Israel the election of Grace has been multiplied by saving and grafting in multitudes into Spiritual Israel, which is still the Body of Christ ! So The Body of Christ, Israel according to the Spirit, the Election of Grace is not a replacement, it always has been, its now clarified who they are.
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Replacement Theology is heresy.
 
tetelestai

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beloved57 said:
Rom 9:6

6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:

No, The Church has always been Israel, but not Israel after the flesh, or the physical nation of Israel See within the physical nation of Israel was always a remnant according to the election of Grace, which is also Israel. Now under the Old Covenant Spiritual Israel, the Body of Christ was mostly comprised of saved jewish Christians. They would usually be persecuted by the non christian jews in the nation Matt 5:12


Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets[Believers in Crist] which were before you.

Lk 13:34


O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, which killest the prophets, and stonest them that are sent unto thee; how often would I have gathered thy children together, as a hen doth gather her brood under her wings, and ye would not!

Now under the New Covenant, Body of Christ Israel the election of Grace has been multiplied by saving and grafting in multitudes into Spiritual Israel, which is still the Body of Christ ! So The Body of Christ, Israel according to the Spirit, the Election of Grace is not a replacement, it always has been, its now clarified who they are.
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The New Covenant replaced the Old Covenant.

Under the OC, the Israelites were God's chosen people. Under the NC, those who have faith in Christ Jesus are the Israel of God.
 
beloved57

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The New Covenant replaced the Old Covenant
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That's true.


Under the OC, the Israelites were God's chosen people
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Only a remnant. Now God did call the nation together and so was a called nation, many are called but few Chosen.


Under the NC, those who have faith in Christ Jesus are the Israel of God.
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Yes the Body of Christ! Which was the Elect remnant under the OC.
 
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beloved57 said:
The Church, the Body of Christ Israel, has always been those individuals God foreknew in the purpose of Christ Rom 11:2

2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel saying,
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If "his people" referred to the saved, that verse makes no sense whatsoever. Why would God ever "cast away" the saved?

The "his people" there refers to the nation of Israel.

Psa 50:7 KJV Hear, O my people, and I will speak; O Israel, and I will testify against thee: I am God, even thy God.
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Your false doctrines all have the same senseless problems.
 
beloved57

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If "his people" referred to the saved, that verse makes no sense whatsoever. Why would God ever "cast away" the saved?
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What are you talking about? Who said God castaway the saved? You way off base!

The "his people" there refers to the nation of Israel.
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False it refers to a remnant according to the election of Grace the body of Christ.

It refers to the His people who He foreknew.
 
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beloved57 said:
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What are you talking about? Who said God castaway the saved? You way off base!
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You've claimed that "his people" refers to "the church which is His body" which refers to saved people.

The scripture poses the question: "I say then, Hath God cast away his people?"

That question makes no sense based on your false ideas. It does make perfect sense since "his people" refers to Israel.

Rom 11:11 KJV I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.
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The THEY and the THEIR here refer to ISRAEL.

Rom 11:12 KJV Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness?
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Again the THEM and THEIR here are ISRAEL.

THEIR fullness is when THEY are restored in the kingdom when Christ returns to establish THEIR kingdom.

Your bogus ideas are directly opposed to the plain and clear reading of scripture.
 
beloved57

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You've claimed that "his people" refers to "the church which is His body" which refers to saved people.

The scripture poses the question: "I say then, Hath God cast away his people?"

That question makes no sense based on your false ideas. It does make perfect sense since "his people" refers to Israel.



The THEY and the THEIR here refer to ISRAEL.



Again the THEM and THEIR here are ISRAEL.

THEIR fullness is when THEY are restored in the kingdom when Christ returns to establish THEIR kingdom.

Your bogus ideas are directly opposed to the plain and clear reading of scripture.
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You are way off target. There's no sense in discussing if you don't comprehend what I actually stated.
 
beloved57

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I'm going to clarify something. National ethnic Israel was God's people while under the old covenant and it was by national covenant. However within that national covenant Israel was remnant Israel the spiritual body of Christ, God's people He foreknew. That Israel will be conformed to the image of Christ. Rom 8:29

29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren

So yes in a real sense national ethnic Israel was God's people for a time by national covenant!
 
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