Geocentrism?

Daniel1611 · Jul 16, 2015

User Name said:
Eh?

Autocorrect decided to change some of it to different words and leave typos in others, I guess. Didn't notice. I meant that the globe model was not widely accepted by the public 2500 years ago.

User Name · Dec 16, 2017

Part two in a series on geocentrism, this video continues the wry look at the subject and how it stacks up against basic observations. This part picks up the "Crazy Sun Spiral" and looks at its implications for all the other bodies in the Solar System. The history of our understanding of celestial physics is continued, and compared to the legacy of geocentrists:

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User Name · Dec 27, 2017

Daniel1611 said:
Geocentrism will eventually lead to a flat earth and the other way around. If it is a flat plane, then it is the center. If it is stationary, it can't be a ball.

Classic:

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User Name · Dec 30, 2017

John Calvin was apparently a geocentrist, in that he stated the following:

"We will see some who are so deranged, not only in religion but who in all things reveal their monstrous nature that they will say that the sun does not move, and that it is the earth which shifts and turns. When we see such minds we must indeed confess that the devil possess them, and that God sets them before us as mirrors, in order to keep us in his fear." -- http://www.philipstallings.com/2015/07/the-biblical-flat-earth-early-church.html

User Name · Dec 30, 2017

Again, Calvin affirms the rotation of the heavens while maintaining that the earth is stationary:

"A simple survey of the world should of itself suffice to attest a Divine Providence. The heavens revolve daily, and, immense as is their fabric, and inconceivable the rapidity of their revolutions, we experience no concussion — no disturbance in the harmony of their motion. The sun, though varying its course every diurnal revolution, returns annually to the same point. The planets, in all their wanderings, maintain their respective positions. How could the earth hang suspended in the air were it not upheld by God’s hand? By what means could it maintain itself unmoved, while the heavens above are in constant rapid motion, did not its Divine Maker fix and establish it?"

-- http://flatearthrevolution.blogspot.com/2016/01/john-calvin-and-martin-luther-refute.html

Ask Mr. Religion · Dec 30, 2017

User Name · Dec 30, 2017

Ask Mr. Religion said:
Bottom line is that how one views the Joshua account will give evidence to one's presuppositions concerning Holy Writ.

According to Joshua 10:12-13, Joshua prayed, "Sun, stand thou still upon Gibeon; and thou, Moon, in the valley of Ajalon" And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed...

In my opinion, this account tells us absolutely nothing about the mechanics of the solar system (geo vs. helio), in part because the event described was entirely miraculous in nature, but mainly because it just doesn't give us enough information. For example, today we know that the entire solar system is in nonstop motion. The Sun, the Earth, other planets, etc, are altogether revolving around the galactic center at an average speed of 828,000 km/h (230 km/s) or 514,000 mph (143 mi/s). The Earth is also in constant rotation, such that the surface of the Earth at the equator moves at a speed of 460 meters per second--or roughly 1,000 miles per hour. And the Moon orbits the Earth in the prograde direction at a speed of 2,288 miles per hour (3,683 kilometers per hour). So when Joshua 10:13 states that "the Sun stood still," then the Earth (and indeed the entire solar system) must have stood still as well. It is the rotation of the Earth on its own axis that makes the Sun appear to travel across our sky, but the text does not tell us this, nor should it have been expected to. None of this knowledge was known to anyone in Joshua's time. The Bible is not a science book and absolutely nothing of any scientific value has been ever been learned from it. This case is no exception.

Ask Mr. Religion · Dec 31, 2017

User Name said:
According to Joshua 10:12-13, Joshua prayed, "Sun, stand thou still upon Gibeon; and thou, Moon, in the valley of Ajalon" And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed...

In my opinion, this account tells us absolutely nothing about the mechanics of the solar system (geo vs. helio), in part because the event described was entirely miraculous in nature, but mainly because it just doesn't give us enough information. For example, today we know that the entire solar system is in nonstop motion. The Sun, the Earth, other planets, etc, are altogether revolving around the galactic center at an average speed of 828,000 km/h (230 km/s) or 514,000 mph (143 mi/s). The Earth is also in constant rotation, such that the surface of the Earth at the equator moves at a speed of 460 meters per second--or roughly 1,000 miles per hour. And the Moon orbits the Earth in the prograde direction at a speed of 2,288 miles per hour (3,683 kilometers per hour). So when Joshua 10:13 states that "the Sun stood still," then the Earth (and indeed the entire solar system) must have stood still as well. It is the rotation of the Earth on its own axis that makes the Sun appear to travel across our sky, but the text does not tell us this, nor should it have been expected to. None of this knowledge was known to anyone in Joshua's time. The Bible is not a science book and absolutely nothing of any scientific value has been ever been learned from it. This case is no exception.

Translation:
I did not read what AMR had to say about the topic, despite his giving links to the same. So I am just going to state my views as if these often stated views have not been given due consideration elsewhere, especially by AMR in the very links he actually provided above.

Tolle lege. Sigh.

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