Geocentrism?

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I was inspired to start this new thread based on this quote that Ask Mr. Religion posted in another thread (my reply follows):

Helio or geo models both work, just as in electronics where positive or negative electron flow assumptions will work.

The answers should be guided by Scripture, which theologically declares the earth to be the center of all creation.

Seems to me that only the geo view provides a satisfactory answer to Scripture, e.g., Joshua 10, which also agrees with Michaelson and Morley, unless you subscribe to relativity—Einstein's attempt to reconcile heliocentrism with Michaelson- Morley. ;)

And what of gravity?

There are obvious problems with geocentrism. For starters, as of 10 July 2015, 1932 planets in 1222 planetary systems have been discovered outside of our solar system, and all of these planets have been found to be revolving around other stars. Moons revolve around planets, and planets revolve around stars. That's the way solar systems work. Nowhere in the universe have we found a star that revolves around a planet. Planets are much smaller than stars. Stars need a large amount of mass because they need to contain a great deal of fuel in order to feed the thermonuclear fusion that keeps them burning. Stars have more mass and therefore more gravitational pull, and it is this gravitational pull that keeps planets in orbit around stars. Stars give birth to planets; planets don't give birth to stars.

If the earth is stationary, then this means that the entire universe is rotating around the earth once every 24 hours. This is an absolutely ridiculous impossibility. First of all, the earth does not have enough mass--and therefore enough gravitational pull--to keep anything beyond the moon in orbit around it. Secondly, our own galaxy is not revolving around earth. Rather, our solar system is revolving around the galactic center.

Actually, the earth does not revolve around the sun per se, but around the solar system's center of mass:

Conservation of momentum requires that when one object circles another, the center of mass of the system must remain fixed. The two objects actually revolve around their common centers of mass. For double stars with comparable masses, the center of mass is between the stars. For cases where one object is far bigger than the other, like the earth and moon, or the sun and earth, the center of mass is within the larger object. But it is never at the center of the larger object. So if anything revolves around the earth, the earth also has to move. Unless you want to postulate that, of all objects in the universe, the earth is not subject to the laws of motion. But individual pieces of earth obey the laws of motion. Tie two rocks to opposite ends of a string and throw them, and they'll revolve around their center of mass. So why would the earth as a whole be different? Where's the evidence that it is?​

Source: http://www.uwgb.edu/DutchS/PSEUDOSC/Geocentrism.HTM

[T]he Sun is not at the geometric center of any planet's orbit, but rather approximately at one focus of the elliptical orbit. Furthermore, to the extent that a planet's mass cannot be neglected in comparison to the Sun's mass, the center of gravity of the solar system is displaced slightly away from the center of the Sun. (The masses of the planets, mostly Jupiter, amount to 0.14% of that of the Sun.) Therefore a hypothetical astronomer on an extrasolar planet would observe a small "wobble" in the Sun's motion.

In modern calculations the terms "geocentric" and "heliocentric" are often used to refer to coordinate systems that are chosen for practical reasons. In such systems the origin in the center of mass of the Earth, of the Earth-Moon system, of the Sun, of the Sun plus the major planets, or of the entire solar system can be selected. However, such selection of "geocentric" or "heliocentric" coordinates has only practical implications and not philosophical or physical ones.​

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heliocentrism#The_view_of_modern_science

The center of mass in the solar system is commonly referred to in astronomy and astrophysics as the barycenter. "The barycenter is the point between two objects where they balance each other; it is the center of mass where two or more celestial bodies orbit each other."

This video animation depicts the movement of the sun and the planets around the barycenter, which is represented by a red diamond shape:

 

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Not only are there quite a few geocentrists on this forum, there are also a few flat-earthers! I wonder how many flat-earth geocentrists there are here?
 

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Not only are there quite a few geocentrists on this forum, there are also a few flat-earthers! I wonder how many flat-earth geocentrists there are here?

Geocentrism will eventually lead to a flat earth and the other way around. If it is a flat plane, then it is the center. If it is stationary, it can't be a ball.
 

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Geocentrism will eventually lead to a flat earth and the other way around. If it is a flat plane, then it is the center. If it is stationary, it can't be a ball.

I should have included a mention of the flat earth idea in the thread title because flat earth and geocentrism do go together. The ancient Hebrews were flat earth geocentrists just like the middle-eastern cultures that surrounded them.
 

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I should have included a mention of the flat earth idea in the thread title because flat earth and geocentrism do go together. The ancient Hebrews were flat earth geocentrists just like the middle-eastern cultures that surrounded them.

Pretty much every ancient society accepted flat earth geocentrism. Because that is what we see, feel and experience. The globular heliocentric model was only instilled in people with propaganda. You have to trust the high priest because you can't speak to the oracle yourself. You need the priests of the sun to tell you you're on a ball flying around the sun.
 

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No educated person believed in a flat Earth in the last 2500 years - sounds like you agree that ancient civilisations knew the Earth was a sphere.

Where is the disagreement?
 

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Pretty much every ancient society accepted flat earth geocentrism. Because that is what we see, feel and experience.

The Oxford Dictionary of the Jewish Religion states:

What did the universe look like to the biblical authors? The most common picture is a three-storied cosmos. The earth is a disk floating on an expanse of water, with another expanse of water above it. The sky, or firmament, is an arched structure, a dome, with the celestial bodies fixed in it and with openings through which rain, from the upper watery expanse, falls to earth.​
 

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No educated person believed in a flat Earth in the last 2500 years - sounds like you agree that ancient civilisations knew the Earth was a sphere.

Where is the disagreement?

Daniel believes in flat-earth geocentrism.
 

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So you really believe that to be true? In the 6th century BC?

You'll need some references here. I think you just made that up to fit your nutty conspiracy theory.

2500 years ago the globe and as nkt widely accepted. That happened about 500 years ago and it was only the in the 1900s when flat earth booms started to die down. Today, geocentrism and flat earth theory are growing again because people are tired of the systems lies. They know it is a lie that we evolved from a rock. And if they lie about evolution from a rock, they're probably lying about the shape of the rock.
 

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I was asking about the 300 year old Freemasons training Pythagoras in the 6th century BC.

I assume from your distraction that you have no evidence for your claim.
 
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