musterion
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Sinning after believing the gospel is NOT proof that one is unregenerate or non-elect. I don't know where Fred gets this idea from.
From the essentially eradicationist beliefs that many people in the Reformed church (and elsewhere) hold to. That belief, which is false, has been the needless cause of agony for many believers for centuries.
I'm not about to argue with your feelings, CL. You may feel anything you like - assurance included - but the fact stands that the doctrine of secret double predestination proves you cannot KNOW you are saved. No one can. You can hope and you can believe you are, but you cannot know because you cannot know that you aren't really a deceived reprobate who just hasn't gone belly up yet.It is NOT true that Calvinists have no assurance.
Wrong. ANYONE can appear to believe, for a time or at length, but never be saved. Go look at the thread I started yesterday where Calvin spoke of what can be called temporary grace. Your objection here proves that you (again) don't even realize the full implications of your own doctrinal system.This idea is based off the false presumption that God just elects people independently of their faith in the gospel. By contrast, when God saves a man, he GIVES that man faith in the gospel. No others can believe.
To this day I do not even know for sure what Arminianism actually, correctly means (and I'm not asking you because to your kind it really only means "Anyone who opposes Calvinism"), but my assurance is based 100% on the sacrifice of Christ in my place and God's having given me the very righteousness of His Son. So as far as my assurance goes, I - myself - have nothing to do with, can claim no credit for it, and therefore (I now know) can do nothing to LOSE it.By contrast, Arminianism gives no assurance because it is based in what the man does in his own heart rather than what Christ ACCOMPLISHED on the cross.