ECT Forgetful Paul

[Interplanner]

2 Tim 1:9-12
The grace of God in Christ was given before time. It was recently revealed through the appearance of Christ.

So it was one grace and Gospel, the Gospel being the event that accomplished it, not the human-response formulas that people debate (baptisms, repentance, lordship, surrender, tongues, etc).

It was the one Gospel for which Paul had worked, and on which he based his hope. We can really extend the section to 2:10 because his Gospel is "Jesus Christ, raised from the dead, descended from David."

Paul was just forgetful and didn't remember the other gospels along the way that the 'club' champions.

 

[dodge]

2 Tim 1:9-12
The grace of God in Christ was given before time. It was recently revealed through the appearance of Christ.

So it was one grace and Gospel, the Gospel being the event that accomplished it, not the human-response formulas that people debate (baptisms, repentance, lordship, surrender, tongues, etc).

It was the one Gospel for which Paul had worked, and on which he based his hope. We can really extend the section to 2:10 because his Gospel is "Jesus Christ, raised from the dead, descended from David."

Paul was just forgetful and didn't remember the other gospels along the way that the 'club' champions.

Good post ! Somehow they are in the Roman Catholic mode they(MADist)only "see" what they want to see ,and all the rest are just little annoying facts that prove they are deceived.

 

[Tambora]

:rotfl:

On no, not the CLUB!

 

[Interplanner]

:rotfl:

On no, not the CLUB!

Yep, in some strange league to distort the plain meaning of the text.

 

[Tambora]

Yep, in some strange league to distort the plain meaning of the text.

Cannot be, because there is no CLUB, foolish one.

 

[Interplanner]

Cannot be, because there is no CLUB, foolish one.

You 5-6 are in fundamental agreement with eachother, and fundamental disagreement with basic NT principles. It is a 'club.' Of course, I don't mean you are registered in some town. I mean it is a really unhealthy alliance because it is dishonest. The latest ex.: Jerry simply not answering why Jonah's "DBR" is THE sign to Israel in synoptics before the Conf/Trans.

You can count on me to give research details.

 

[Tambora]

You 5-6 are in fundamental agreement with eachother,

Who are these "5-6"????

And how does any amount of individuals that happen to arrive at the same conclusions before ever knowing one another constitute a CLUB???
It just more pontificating on your part to make up fantasy entities that do not exist.

You can count on me to give research details.

We can count on you to make stuff up.

 

[Interplanner]

Who are these "5-6"????

And how does any amount of individuals that happen to arrive at the same conclusions before ever knowing one another constitute a CLUB???
It just more pontificating on your part to make up fantasy entities that do not exist.





We can count on you to make stuff up.

RD, STP, Danoh, Must, Tam, Jerry, with minor differences. Once you are in the two separate program morass, the minor things don't matter. You compliment each other alot, so it does not matter whether you knew each other before; you are just reinforcing a delusion.

The FACT of the sign of Jonah being elaborated upon by Christ between the death details in the opening chapters of the synoptics and the Conf/Trans events (ie Mt 12 etc) IS NOT MADE UP. Your notion that you are fully engaged in the debate here and recalling things is made up.

 

[SaulToPaul 2]

RD, STP, Danoh, Must, Tam, Jerry, with minor differences. Once you are in the two separate program morass, the minor things don't matter. You compliment each other alot, so it does not matter whether you knew each other before; you are just reinforcing a delusion.

The FACT of the sign of Jonah being elaborated upon by Christ between the death details in the opening chapters of the synoptics and the Conf/Trans events (ie Mt 12 etc) IS NOT MADE UP. Your notion that you are fully engaged in the debate here and recalling things is made up.

"I would that ye all speak the same things..."

 

[SaulToPaul 2]

You can count on me to give research details.

i.e. scouring thousands of commentaries

 

[SaulToPaul 2]

Paul was just forgetful and didn't remember the other gospels along the way that the 'club' champions.

2 Timothy was written after the fall and casting away of Israel, to a people who did not qualify for Israel's covenants and promises. This is what you miss, because you study commentaries rather than the good book.

 

[Tambora]

You compliment each other alot,

I like to compliment the truth spoken.

so it does not matter whether you knew each other before; you are just reinforcing a delusion.

It's only a delusion in your broken mind.

 

[Interplanner]

I like to compliment the truth spoken.

It's only a delusion in your broken mind.

What specifically? What is "it"? What text are you talking about? Your self-important pontifications are worthless. Stick to one passage at time, or all there is talking-past-each-other.

This passage says there is one Gospel, period, on which he bases his hope, for which he was made an apostle, which concerns why Christ was raised from death, and brought us life and immortality, and it was the grace given before time but now appeared.

If you talk about anything beyond these specifics it is just arrogant blather. What other gospel offers these? What are you talking about?

 

[drbrumley]

i.e. scouring thousands of commentaries

:rotfl:

 

[glorydaz]

This passage says there is one Gospel, period, on which he bases his hope, for which he was made an apostle, which concerns why Christ was raised from death, and brought us life and immortality, and it was the grace given before time but now appeared.

If you talk about anything beyond these specifics it is just arrogant blather. What other gospel offers these? What are you talking about?

I don't know much, but I think Paul is speaking of that which the Risen Lord revealed to Paul and concerns the purpose from the beginning of the body of Christ. And that is the Gospel on which we all base our hope.

Eph. 1:4-5 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,

Colossians 1:26-27
Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints: To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:​

 

[Nang]

I don't know much, but I think Paul is speaking of that which the Risen Lord revealed to Paul and concerns the purpose from the beginning of the body of Christ. And that is the Gospel on which we all base our hope.

Eph. 1:4-5 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,

Colossians 1:26-27
Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints: To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:​

Well, I have been taught much differently.

The purpose of the one, true Gospel, was the eternal necessity for a Savior to remedy the original sin of Adam. (Ephesians 1:4-5)

God promised that a Man would be born of woman, who would crush the head (power and authority) of Satan. This is the first revelation of the Everlasting Gospel of Redemption. Genesis 3:15

From that time on, God gifted particular offspring of Adam, with grace and faith in this promise . . and these were all gathered into the universal and spiritual body of Christ, as exampled in Hebrews Chapter 11.

Paul did not reveal a mystery, not already known by Godly men and women since the beginning of time. The mystery hid for generations, was the very Seed of the Person; being God the Son, that eventually incarnated, from amongst the nation of Israel, in order to provide redemption for both Jew and Gentile.

The promised Messiah finally came into the world; in the fullness of time, under the Law, declaring the Kingdom of God was come for all those would believe and share in His inheritance and glory. (Colossians 1:26-27)

The is the only Gospel message: Everlasting; New Covenant; Of Grace; Promise of Redemption; in the Name of Jesus Christ.

 

[glorydaz]

Well, I have been taught much differently.

From that time on, God gifted particular offspring of Adam, with grace and faith in this promise . . and these were all gathered into the universal and spiritual body of Christ, as exampled in Hebrews Chapter 11.

Of course....no point in the Gospel whatsoever. :chew:

 

[Nang]

Of course....not point in the Gospel whatsoever. :chew:

The Gospel is a call . . not an offer nor an option that can taken or left.

Those given ears to hear, respond to the call without fail.

Romans 8:28-30

 

[glorydaz]

The Gospel is a call . . not an offer nor an option that can taken or left.

Those given ears to hear, respond to the call without fail.

Romans 8:28-30

No, the Gospel is more than a call. It is truth with persuasive POWER.

No one is "given" ears to hear, but there are those who refuse to hearken.

Zechariah 7:11 But they refused to hearken, and pulled away the shoulder, and stopped their ears, that they should not hear.​

 

[Nang]

No, the Gospel is more than a call. It is truth with persuasive POWER.

No one is "given" ears to hear, but there are those who refuse to hearken.

Zechariah 7:11 But they refused to hearken, and pulled away the shoulder, and stopped their ears, that they should not hear.​

If a soul does not hear, it is because God sovereignly determines who will hear and who will not:

Isaiah 6:9-10, 43:7-13; Matthew 13:13-17; Mark 4:11-12; Luke 8:10; John 12:37-41; Acts 28:24-28; Romans 11:7-8; II Corinthians 4:3-4; Deuteronomy 29:4; Isaiah 30:21; Ezekiel 24:26