Firefighters forced to drive truck in gay parade

[IMJerusha]

Rhode Island court throws out city firefighters' gay pride parade lawsuits - The Guardian




I was surprised that GFR7 didn't start a thread on this already. :chuckle:

I know, I know, another gay thread. :flamer: But I'm curious to see if people look at this situation differently from the other cases like cakes or photography for gay weddings.

Religious liberty being trampled or an understandable work duty?

Is this the same as or different from the other cases?

Is it ok to force them to drive because they are 'relatively anonymous'?

It seems to me that if the Rhode Island fire departments or any public service departments give consideration to any people on certain high holy days, such as Hanukkah and Kwanzaa, then they should have given consideration to two firefighters wanting to pass on the gay pride parade for faith reasons. I do believe that forcing them to partake in the parade was a violation of their religious liberty rights regardless of anonymity. Anonymity should not even be a factor in this since ones faith is a personal relationship between that person and God. I do wonder, considering P-town's notoriety, why any heterosexual....strike that, why any Christian would want to live there, let alone be a firefighter there. To a Christian, homosexuality is not a legitimate lifestyle but rather a sin, named as such by God Himself so forcing those firefighters to be a part of the support of that sin violated their religious rights.

 

[PureX]

The public has to pay for what to exist?

The whole department of fire safety. The people, the trucks, the buildings, and the training.

 

[PureX]

A public employee should NOT be forced to show political support for something they view to be morally wrong. This would be especially true after making objections to that political support, AND the employer had other options to perform or not perform a non-essential task.

Personal moral proclivities do not trump all other human and social issues.

 

[Doom]

Personal moral proclivities do not trump all other human and social issues.

Good to know that you believe homosexuality is immoral.

 

[kmoney]

The whole department of fire safety. The people, the trucks, the buildings, and the training.

What does that have to do with them being part of a parade?

 

[musterion]

What does that have to do with them being part of a parade?

Absolutely nothing.

 

[musterion]

Originally Posted by PureX
Personal moral proclivities do not trump all other human and social issues.

By that same measure, sodomy parades should not trump a religious person's right not to be in the area by having to drive a truck.

Welcome to diversity.

 

[PureX]

By that same measure, sodomy parades should not trump a religious person's right not to be in the area by having to drive a truck.

Welcome to diversity.

People who are being paid to drive fire trucks should drive them where they are being told and paid to drive them. And if that means a gay parade, so be it.

If Christians don't stop acting like little babies every time they have to serve someone they don't agree with they're just going to make themselves look more and more useless, silly, and bigoted against everyone else. Soon no one will want to hire them, because they cry and whine every time they're asked to do something for someone they don't approve of. And they file law suits against their employers every time they're made to do it, anyway.

Welcome to reality.

 

[genuineoriginal]

People who are being paid to drive fire trucks should drive them where they are being told and paid to drive them. And if that means a gay parade, so be it.

If Christians don't stop acting like little babies every time they have to serve someone they don't agree with they're just going to make themselves look more and more useless, silly, and bigoted against everyone else. Soon no one will want to hire them, because they cry and whine every time they're asked to do something for someone they don't approve of. And they file law suits against their employers every time they're made to do it, anyway.

Welcome to reality.

Wow, you make it sound like Christians are starting to act a lot like gay liberals.

 

[PureX]

Wow, you make it sound like Christians are starting to act a lot like gay liberals.

The only difference is the labels. So next time you go throwing them around like that, maybe you should look in mirror.

 

[genuineoriginal]

The only difference is the labels. So next time you go throwing them around like that, maybe you should look in mirror.

I won't see a gay liberal when I look in the mirror.

 

[Dialogos]

I agree that the order to have the fire companies on display at public events is probably being made for political reasons by the people in charge of city resources. But we can't have everyone thinking they can do whatever they please just because they are "religious". We all have to follow orders that we don't necessarily agree with for society to function. And this is especially so for fireman, police, soldiers, and the like, upon whom society relies for it's security and survival.

Especially during parades, how will we all get along in a civil society without forcing Catholic fireman to drive the firetruck in the gay pride parade?

 

[PureX]

Especially during parades, how will we all get along in a civil society without forcing Catholic fireman to drive the firetruck in the gay pride parade?

Yeah, we don't need prayers before political meetings, either, but now that we've established the tradition, it becomes hard to break.

 

[Traditio]

If the firefighters personally experienced sexual harrassment both during and after the parade, then they weren't working in relative anonymity, were they? lain:

 

[kmoney]

People who are being paid to drive fire trucks should drive them where they are being told and paid to drive them. And if that means a gay parade, so be it.

If Christians don't stop acting like little babies every time they have to serve someone they don't agree with they're just going to make themselves look more and more useless, silly, and bigoted against everyone else. Soon no one will want to hire them, because they cry and whine every time they're asked to do something for someone they don't approve of. And they file law suits against their employers every time they're made to do it, anyway.

Welcome to reality.

Except the objection isn't just about serving someone they don't agree with.

 

[resodko]

i'll bet you're wishing you coulda bin on that fire truck each:

 

[PureX]

Except the objection isn't just about serving someone they don't agree with.

Yes it is. They whine about supporting sin, but that's just nonsense. It's like claiming that doctors that serve in prisons are supporting crime.

 

[kmoney]

Yes it is. They whine about supporting sin, but that's just nonsense. It's like claiming that doctors that serve in prisons are supporting crime.

Sure, if a murderer asked a doctor to accompany him on his crime in case he got hurt.

 

[Dialogos]

Yes it is. They whine about supporting sin, but that's just nonsense.

Umm no.

Its about not being forced to drive in a parade you find morally objectionable.

It's like claiming that doctors that serve in prisons are supporting crime.

:rotfl:

 

[resodko]

Yes it is. They whine about supporting sin, but that's just nonsense. It's like claiming that doctors that serve in prisons are supporting crime.

because prisons are places where crime is encouraged or celebrated? :freak: